Volume is everything.
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Are we actually arguing here?
Damn, I have known you for a long time. We never argue....there has GOT to be an explanation between your experience and mine.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
We are defining different types of playing.
You are thinking of someone sitting at the park chilling on a guitar with a light weight pick or finger strumming.
I am thinking unplugged Korn playing an acoustic guitar trying to fill a coffee shop.
The intensity of the strumming, the thickness of the pick and strings. An acoustic guitar CAN hit 95db picks.
For most applications it is probably in the 70s to low 80s- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Damn. I was hoping to argue with you for the first time.....like ever.
Then you go and get technical and chit. Putz.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
damn the technicalities!!!- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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damn isnt sensored?? hmmmm- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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What I am saying is that a low level, acoustic guitar should be (at room level) realistic within the volume level.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I agree, but this hobby varies so much for everyone in it. I wouldnt take much offense to the guy just wanting to play balls to the wall- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Oh, trust me.....balls to the wall isn't a problem.
I have literally thought my house was falling into the Earth with certain tracks.
You feel it more than one would ever hear it. The track I heard (and felt) was.....an experience!
My point? Once again, the volume was part of the experience. Had I listened to it at a lower level? I might have missed the experience.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
We are defining different types of playing.
You are thinking of someone sitting at the park chilling on a guitar with a light weight pick or finger strumming.
I am thinking unplugged Korn playing an acoustic guitar trying to fill a coffee shop.
The intensity of the strumming, the thickness of the pick and strings. An acoustic guitar CAN hit 95db picks.
For most applications it is probably in the 70s to low 80s
The Martin D28 has been known to hit 100db. -
Martin and Taylor is good stuff- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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In my little hi-fi world volume is also important and necessary for that lifelike imaging sent to the treated sidewalls. I've noticed that as the volume goes up the soundstage also continues to expand up to a certain point. Nearfield or low level volumes do not get the job done when it comes to spooky clear imaging far outside the boxes.
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In my experience, ymmv, imaging at lower volumes is directly tied to noise within the system- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Did you mean, the lack of imaging at lower volumes?
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
motorstereo wrote: »In my little hi-fi world volume is also important and necessary for that lifelike imaging sent to the treated sidewalls. I've noticed that as the volume goes up the soundstage also continues to expand up to a certain point. Nearfield or low level volumes do not get the job done when it comes to spooky clear imaging far outside the boxes.
Agree to disagree a well put together near field rig can convey an uncanny, spooky clear imaging far outside the boxes. I've had a couple (still do) desk top rigs that made near field listening a real eye opening pleasure.
Take a stellar pre-amp and something akin to a First Watt amp with an appropriately paired set of speakers. Great cables and great source and sit in the dark about 3 feet away at moderate to low levels and see what I'm talking about.
I agree 1000% with Trey and Tom, noise is the bas tard of a great system. Getting rid of noise, noise you don't think you have until it's gone, allows one to hear far greater "into" the music than one would think possible. It also allows for greater listening satisfaction at both ends of the loudness spectrum.
Like everyone else I like to listen loud sometimes, just for the visceral impact. I can get the same audio euphoria listening to a well recorded piece of music like The Cowboy Junkies- Trinity Sessions on a superb near field rig that's dialed in at low to moderate levels. Many systems suck at lower volumes. One of my prerequisites of a great rig, is both loud and soft listening performance.
Many rigs can do loud well enough, but not a lot of rigs can bring the same sound field at lower levels.
Just my .02c
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In my experience, ymmv, imaging at lower volumes is directly tied to noise within the system
I think you and I may have words about this one, moving forward.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Yes.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I don't want to step outside or anything....but I think a respectful discussion is in order.
There are many, many factors. I will admit this. Volime is everything. It can literally make or break an impression.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I hear you. My next listening session is scheduled for 2027, we will have to iron it out before then- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Pale Green Ghosts by John Grant....is but one example. Volume loud or low?
Same end result.
Expansive and enveloping, to say the least....whether played loud as heck or at a preamplifier volume in my system of 3 to 5 out of 100.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Even this....at lower volume is stellar....
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Here is another one...
At low or high volume? Should sound great....but ther is a point in one's room to where it sounds freakin' stellar!
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I don't want to step outside or anything....but I think a respectful discussion is in order.
Tom
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