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Joey_V
Joey_V Posts: 8,569
in 2 Channel Audio
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisb5678-clearaudio-master-innovation-black-turntables

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,570
    edited June 2023
    So when do you expect it to land at your house?

    I've seen and listened to one in person.... They're HEFTY
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    So when do you expect it to land at your house?

    I've seen and listened to one in person.... They're HEFTY
    I’ve never seen one in person
    How was it
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,570
    Joey_V wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    So when do you expect it to land at your house?

    I've seen and listened to one in person.... They're HEFTY
    I’ve never seen one in person
    How was it

    Extravagant as all get out. I wished they would play something other than Classical music. A rig like this deserves some Accept- Balls to the Wall......
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  • Joey_V
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    I wonder how the linear tracking arm on that Clearaudio unit performs compared to what I’m used to. Plus it also comes with a universal 12” arm
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,303
    They weren’t using the LTA when I saw one in action, but it was incredible, agree with Ivan something besides classical music.

    I don’t hate it but that seems to be what is played most at these shows, it kills me after a while..
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,130
    edited June 2023
    Jeez, that's a heck of a table. I wonder how that motor is isolated.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,570
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    They weren’t using the LTA when I saw one in action, but it was incredible, agree with Ivan something besides classical music.

    I don’t hate it but that seems to be what is played most at these shows, it kills me after a while..

    No LTA on the one I saw either. The other massive table I saw had a huge weighted flywheel at the bottom of that came down to near the bottom of the stand on a bar that went through those metal disc's in the middle of those braces. It was nearly 300lbs if I remember right. I think that LTA is an air bearing type set up. Rich @SCompRacer has one on his table they are Saa-weeet mothers!

    Larry did you see it the time we were at the RMAF ? I thought I fist seen it there then again at Axpona a year later.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    I have spoken to the seller
    He has given me a fair number
    I have buyers lined up for the 2 vpi I have. But we shall see what the final conclusion turns out to be.

    I like that that particular table has two arms… which covers both my carts.
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,121
    Forgive my ignorance… I know nothing of modern day TTs

    What is LTA?

    For those of us that do not know turntable nomenclature

    https://www.lineartubeaudio.com/

    ??

    BTW, anybody with LTA AMP/pre amp experience?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,570
    What is LTA?
    Linear tracking arm.
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,121
    edited June 2023
    Curious cuz some folks on the WBF run LTA and since I’m considering downsizing, it’s an option
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Curious cuz some folks on the WBF run LTA and since I’m considering downsizing, it’s an option

    The LTA of that table

    https://clearaudio.de/en/products/tonearms-statement_tt1.php
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    So when do you expect it to land at your house?

    I've seen and listened to one in person.... They're HEFTY

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  • newbie308
    newbie308 Posts: 769
    That is a stunning deck, no doubt! It would be interesting to listen to it side by side with the VPI. I'm curious if there really is any significant audible difference in the level of detail when using the same cartridge and tonearm and playing the same song through the same equipment.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    newbie308 wrote: »
    That is a stunning deck, no doubt! It would be interesting to listen to it side by side with the VPI. I'm curious if there really is any significant audible difference in the level of detail when using the same cartridge and tonearm and playing the same song through the same equipment.

    It would be hard to do side by side
    I am exploring adding a minus K under the clearaudio to ensure vibration control… my vpi has SRA under it and it’s very effective w vibration attenuation
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 4,969
    Hide the Nerf footballs!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,303
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    They weren’t using the LTA when I saw one in action, but it was incredible, agree with Ivan something besides classical music.

    I don’t hate it but that seems to be what is played most at these shows, it kills me after a while..

    No LTA on the one I saw either. The other massive table I saw had a huge weighted flywheel at the bottom of that came down to near the bottom of the stand on a bar that went through those metal disc's in the middle of those braces. It was nearly 300lbs if I remember right. I think that LTA is an air bearing type set up. Rich @SCompRacer has one on his table they are Saa-weeet mothers!

    Larry did you see it the time we were at the RMAF ? I thought I fist seen it there then again at Axpona a year later.

    Yep I do believe that was it, hard to believe how long ago that was already. Too bad they let Covid take it away..
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,130
    I'm disappointed with the shipping pallet, Joey. Send it back.

    Congratulations! Are you getting pro setup, or doing it yourself?

    Is that lower stand completely rigid between the tiers?

    I see in the photos there are spikes at the transition between the upper and lower tiers. Are the pucks at the top of the lower stand hard or soft?

    Presuming spiked transition at the bottom of the lower stand, as well?

    Really curious about the use of isolation and coupling in the various stages, like where the motor and flywheel are. I read from the listing that there's magnetic decoupling - so the drive from the flywheel to the platter is non-contact and just magnetic?

    How are the drive and platter tiers physically engaged at the chassis contacts?

    Seems like with the weight of the separate stages decoupling could be difficult with respect to stability. I'm guessing there may be multiple stages of spiked engagement?
    Incredible rotational speed stability is achieved thanks to the combination of the patented Clearaudio ceramic magnetic bearing (CMB) supplemented by an additional flywheel and a high torque DC motor. An infrared sensor sends signals to an optical speed control mechanism to consistently maintain the perfect speed, while non-contact magnetic decoupling of the drive prevents any vibration or noise from the motor system from reaching the main turntable. Consequently, speed variations are eradicated, and perfect pitch is obtained.

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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,130
    Got it running yet?
    And what will be the first track?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,447
    45k to spin a 20 dollar record... plus cartridge. Does this come with the Goldfinger already or do you still need to get that?

    I had the GF Statement V2 and it was amazing. You will enjoy this, congrats.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    Haha
    It’s not with me yet
    That’s the shipping pallet photo as it stands
    I’m still doing research and asking more seasoned clearaudio folks

    There are some concerns I have with this table design that I have to address
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,447
    edited June 2023
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Haha
    It’s not with me yet
    That’s the shipping pallet photo as it stands
    I’m still doing research and asking more seasoned clearaudio folks

    There are some concerns I have with this table design that I have to address

    If you have not yet bought it, I would seriously question doing so. Nothing wrong with the table per-se, but keep in mind that EVERYTHING on a table like that matters to the N'th degree... A cartridge that will get the best from it is another ten grand, MININUM. Adding a second arm will be at least another 5 grand with yet another 10k cartridge hanging off the end of that.

    Then there is the fact that everything is exposed to the inquisitive eyes and fingers of the kids. Someone said something about Nerf balls earlier... just one tiny mistake made in that room it resides could end up costing tens of thousands. That is the reason I backed away from my TriangleART table. I had zero time to listen to it, and the thought of tiny fingers getting within 50 feet of that Goldfinger was driving me nuts!

    The CA table is fantastic in every way, but with kids, all I see is disaster waiting to happen...
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  • msg
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    Ah, good stuff. Due diligence, smart.

    One of the things I was wondering about is placement, and the stability of the floor where you'll be placing it. Your listening room's upstairs on a suspended wood floor, right? Seems like this table is all about coupling/decoupling and suspension? I don't know much about turntable optimization, let alone advanced design benefits aside from some basics, but would this be a factor to consider?

    Your VPIs are on a heavy cabinet, aren't they? Does that cabinet have a stone top?

    I suppose you could place the ClearAudio on a granite slab in the space, as well, to add rigidity, but at this level, is that good enough, or does it negate some of what you would be buying it for? Just curious, and also curious as to what the gains would be.
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Haha
    It’s not with me yet
    That’s the shipping pallet photo as it stands
    I’m still doing research and asking more seasoned clearaudio folks

    There are some concerns I have with this table design that I have to address

    I disabled signatures.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    The room is private so I don’t have too much worry about kids.

    I have some hesitation because I think it still requires a minus K as the base to even the Olympus stand to maximize it.

    The current VPI sits on top of a SRA Scuttle rack which in it of itself is supposedly 500 lbs.

    I have heard from the grapevine that I would need to increase vibration isolation to get it to beat what I have. But then I’d have two arms in a single towering package

    Cart choice is likely an Opus 1 by Airtight
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    Basically I think we are about 10% away in price from making a deal
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,949
    Don't you already have an endgame VPI turntable? wtf
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,601
    Unless that TT is sitting on a concrete floor you won't get the full capability of it. Or granite, but it'd have to be at least 2 inches thick.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,569
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Unless that TT is sitting on a concrete floor you won't get the full capability of it. Or granite, but it'd have to be at least 2 inches thick.

    A minus k might be the right compromise

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