QSC MX2000a for RT3000p?
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@VR3 I'd say 6 x 6 (meters). Like I mentioned to Clipdat, the issue is the AVR clipping at higher volumes, not necessarily volume constraints. I wanted a higher wattage amp because I was under the impression that "Polks love power" and that they'd "open up", but it turns out that's due to current, not just wattage.
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@Clipdat I did. They're set like that, but it still clips, Maybe the filter caps going bad?
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@VR3 I like my Polks, the RT3000p are amazing, very detailed and crisp with good soundstage. I feel like if I get pro audio speakers, I'd still probably go for external amps, and in that case, why not just get amps and drive my Polks higher than get amps and new speakers?
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I mean this in the nicest way possible but the Onkyo TX-NR656 is pretty much of an inexpensive lightweight **** of an AVR. I think you might be satisfied with a more modern AVR that has a beefier amplifier section.
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@Clipdat Didn't need to be nice. It's a complete piece of ****. I bought it because it was $385 back in 2020 and it was the first component of my system. Even before my RT600i (my first towers).
I'm looking at a Denon X3800H or a Yamaha CX-A5100/5200 for a preamp, and I'm going to build a custom rack for amps for all of my speakers. I intend on matching the amps (like, same series, just different wattages). I think it'd be a crazy system. -
I have a Onkyo HT-RC360 that somehow still works that I bought back in 2011. It refuses to die, haha.
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@Clipdat They made some good stuff, but right about when Atmos was being included with their receivers their quality fell off hard. I don't even think I'm gonna get a receiver next, I'll probably just get a pre-processor with the exception of the Denon X3800H depending on price.
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Have you looked at Outlaw Audio's stuff? https://outlawaudio.com/shop/
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@Clipdat The Marantz preamp is more expensive than a used Yamaha CX-A5200. I actually might bite the bullet on the Yamaha and start searching for amps.
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Yeah, they used to make their own pre/pro but it looks like it's discontinued now. Their amps worth a look though, would be a step up from QSC, imo.
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@Clipdat Will check them out, thanks!
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Looks like school has been in session.
The only thing I'll add are these words of wisdom, all watts are not created equal.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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@F1nut I don't think I've learned so much so quickly.
As for all watts not being equal, I have been aware of this. 20W premium amps usually sound better than a 100W+ receiver because of the quality of the design and components.
I just had no idea about the current of the amp, I always equated control of the driver to wattage, not current. -
Damping factor has an impact on driver control as well- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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@VR3 Yup, been researching that at well. Honestly, I know it sounds dumb, but the only real negatives I can see to the QSC amps would actually be the quality of the wattage. The current and damping factor seems pretty good for a beginner amp, and the price is right. I'll keep researching but if they're the right price then maybe I'll use them just until I can get the cash for some proper amps.
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Parasound hca100 I think it is can be had for a couple hundred- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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@VR3 I'll keep an eye out for the Parasound. Someone has a Crown CDI1000 for $350, is that one any good?
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I'll keep researching but if they're the right price then maybe I'll use them just until I can get the cash for some proper amps.
Buy once, cry once.
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@Clipdat I mean the guy already has them for a price I could flip them for profit at, I could probably get all 3 for even less. If I don't like them, I'll sell them for profit lol. Though if I can get something better to start off with, then I will.
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Avoid pro amps for home audio…repeat…avoid pro amps for home audio (except subs). Unless you love the sound of nails on a chalkboard…
Parasound HCA, older rotel, B&K, and adcom are all solid options on the used market. The 5 channel outlaw would be my choice if I was going new.Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es; Squeezebox Touch with Bolder Power Supply
Game Room 5.1.4: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
Bedroom 2.1Cambridge Azur 551r; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer -
@rooftop59 Crown, Carver, Denon, NAD, Yamaha are good too, right? Just no PA system stuff?
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Crown, Behringer, QSC, Gemini and Rockville are all pro amps. Personally I'd only use them in a subwoofer application.
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@pitdogg2 Alright, so look for amps designed for something like home theater or critical listening rather than amps designed to go loud and push tons of wattage in a stadium essentially?
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The 5 channel outlaw would be my choice if I was going new.
Agree! I've been extremely impressed with the build quality and reliability of the Outlaw 7000x and 5000x I bought mainly for surround speaker duty. They're quiet and powerful and refined enough to use with most main speakers too given their 200 watts or so rating into 4 ohm loads with all channels driven. I'd say the 5000x is every bit the equal of a Parasound A52 I used to have.
A geniune no BS product for a good price...
https://outlawaudio.com/shop/products/50-model-5000x-5-channel-amplifier.html
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@Emlyn What the hell! That's like half the price I'd have payed for a bunch of separate amps! I'm impressed.
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You could go with this one as well.
https://outlawaudio.com/shop/power_amplifiers/28-model-7900.html
This is why I would run it on two dedicated 20amp circuits.At 300 watts of full bandwidth, all-channels-driven power into 8 ohms the Model 7900 will control your reference speakers with relative ease under conditions that would cause most amplifiers to fail.
In fact, the Model 7900 is so powerful, we’re not technically “allowed” to rate this amplifier with 4-ohm speakers under an all channels driven load. Its 450 WPC of output at this impedance will demand 26 amps of combined current draw, technically exceeding the accepted current draw margin for dual 15-amp breakers! However, since no movie has ever been produced requiring all 7 channels to be driven continuously at full bandwidth…well, you can have your power served up any way you like it (we prefer it with popcorn-extra butter, extra salt!)
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@pitdogg2 Looks pretty good, I'm actually installing dual 20 amp breakers for a quad-socket outlet I'm putting in specifically to drive my subwoofers and amps.
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If you like concert levels in your home then what someone mentioned earlier may be the way to go. Speakers will only play so loud no matter what amp feeds them.
Playing in the range of 100-120db consistently takes a different approach than just watts & current. -
Also remember you only get one set of ears, so probably not a great idea to blast them to hell at age 17. But you do you, I guess.
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Playing in the range of 100-120db for extended periods of time will cause significant hearing loss in short order.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
