To all you vinyl guys...
smglbrth
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I need some recommendations concerning cleaning records. I know, I've been over the internet and learned some things, mainly that practically no-one agrees on the best way to do this.
My wife, of all people, wants to listen to records again. So, being the good husband I am,
I agreed (reluctantly). Now I have a turntable sitting in the box on the floor, unopened as of yet, mainly since I don't know where I'm going to place it. This was the last, and I mean the last, thing I thought my wife would request concerning audio. As a matter of fact, this is the first time she actually ever requested anything audio, at least as it pertains to my stuff.
So, that's the backstory. I'm not looking to spend hundreds or thousands just to clean records. Something that's fairly cheap and quick. If that's even possible nowadays.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!
My wife, of all people, wants to listen to records again. So, being the good husband I am,
I agreed (reluctantly). Now I have a turntable sitting in the box on the floor, unopened as of yet, mainly since I don't know where I'm going to place it. This was the last, and I mean the last, thing I thought my wife would request concerning audio. As a matter of fact, this is the first time she actually ever requested anything audio, at least as it pertains to my stuff.
So, that's the backstory. I'm not looking to spend hundreds or thousands just to clean records. Something that's fairly cheap and quick. If that's even possible nowadays.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!
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Do you already have one of these? https://www.turntablelab.com/products/turntable-lab-carbon-fiber-anti-static-record-brush-black
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You can get one of these label savers and sink wash. Don't use harsh detergents. I'd recommend distilled water to wash and rinse, microfiber towel dry. Some folks just use tap water to wash and rinse. That can lead to unwelcome deposits in the grooves. There are inexpensive spin clean products too.
The polyester in microfiber towels has a low melting point. When washing and drying microfiber, never use high heat or the fibers will melt together. Then they don't absorb well and can possibly scratch your records.
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Agree, carbon fiber brush is a good starting point to remove dust and lint. A critical step is to place LPs in a non-static inner album cover once they are dust and lint free. Saves time. Actually cleaning other stuff out of the grooves with liquid and a vacuum based machine is more complicated and not necessary if someone just wants to put an LP on for casual listening with the clicks and pops. A lot really depends on the quality of the turntable and cartridge.
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I enjoy cleaning records and have tried all kinds of methods. On a budget having to go with a single method, I have to say this would be my go-to out of all. It's like the Spin-Clean idea, but modeled after the Knosti. Uses removable, opposing goat hair brushes, and comes with a drying stand in the base.
https://www.amazon.com/Vinyl-Styl-Groove-Record-Washer/dp/B01M0LRLM5/
Make your own cleaning solution with @jdjohn 's formula.I disabled signatures. -
Real good ideas including don't do it above.
If I was starting today in a small way I would just buy new.
Get a list from the Mrs. of what she fancies and go from there.
AFA cleaning, I use three different 32 oz. bottle solutions.
The first for cleaning new records consists of;
Distilled water
1 drop of triton x-100
Isopropyl alcohol
Shake the mixture of water and Triton x-100 then put enough
alcohol in to dissolve the bubbles.
I usually rinse with distilled water after cleaning.
dirty records get;
Distilled water
3 drops of triton x-100
1-3 drops of all natural dishwashing detergent
Isopropyl alcohol
1-16 drops of any pre-made record cleaning wash on hand
Shake the mixture then put enough alcohol in to dissolve the bubbles.
You might come to hate wiping LPs w/ a cloth real quick
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Don’t buy records and they’ll never get dirty!
I'm shocked that this was even suggested!
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I think the Spin Clean (or the version @msg mentioned) are a great starting point. They require a little more work on your part, but they do a pretty good job. I’ve considered moving up to something nicer, but I’m still using the Spin Clean.Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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I got my son (so I can use it too) a Record Doctor V and it seems to do very well. Occasionally, like now, Audio Advisor has a demo unit on sale. https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1RDV . There is also an updated version VI https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1RDVI.Stan
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Don’t buy records and they’ll never get dirty!
Now that is funny right there!
Thanks for the recommendations! Seems everything has negative reviews, nothing really stands out. I've read that the brushes start losing bristles, "spin" cleaners scratch records or leave films on them, yada yada. I think I'll start with a brush, see what happens and go from there...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me -
..."spin" cleaners scratch records...
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Spinclean scratches records? Wherever you read that stop reading there.
afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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You could start with a kit like this:
Use the dry bristle brush for cleaning debris off 'new-to-you' records, then follow-up with a semi-wet cleaning step, using the felt brush after moistening it with several drops of the record cleaning solution. This can be done with the record on the turntable platter, and I normally let the motor spin the platter for the wet clean. To help facilitate drying, use the dry bristle brush again with the platter still spinning. Of course, use the dry brush before each playback, and gently use the stylus brush as well.
For an RCM, particularly the Spin-Clean or Knosti type, here's my home-brew cleaning solution.
Ingredients:
*Triton X-100 (standard grade...I don't know how many grades exist)
*Hepastat256 (this is a 'Quat', and this product's concentration is what works for my proportions)
*99% Isopropyl alcohol
*Distilled water
In a big measuring cup, add the following:
- 25ml of isopropyl alcohol; measure using a smaller cup, and then pour into the large measuring cup.
- 0.75ml of Triton using a pipette; it dissolves quicker in the alcohol than in water, so that's why we add it here; stir it around a bit. Rinse the pipette inside and out - suck water into it and squeeze out several times.
- 0.25ml of Hepastat256. Rinse the pipette again and then set it aside for the next time you need to make a batch.
- Fill the rest of the measuring cup to 500ml with distilled water, and stir.
The quat (Hepastat256) is useful as an anti-fungal/mold agent, and it adds a microscopic layer of anti-static protection. Something about positive ions and such. Quats are used as disinfectants in labs, commercial applications, and the hospitality industry. I keep a diluted mixture in a spray bottle under the kitchen sink for disinfecting countertops. Since only a ml or less is used in each batch, I have enough to last a few lifetimes. If anyone wants a vial of it, send me a PM."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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Where can you get the Hepastat in small quantities?Yep, my name really is Bob.
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The quat Jody recommends is a magic anti-static component. I can't get over how well it works for how small an amount is used in Jody's formula.The quat (Hepastat256) is useful as an anti-fungal/mold agent, and it adds a microscopic layer of anti-static protection.
I've tried a couple of other formulas, one using Triton-X, distilled, and 99% ISO in slightly different ratio without the quat, and also sprung for that L'Art du Son stuff. I prefer Jody's formula over both of those.
Also, never scratched a record or had any issues with losing the goat hair bristles on the Vinyl Styl Deep Groove Record Washer I linked above. I don't know who manages that, but I suspect operator error or poor hygiene. I follow up washes with a distilled rinse, as well as rinsing, cleaning and drying the apparatus after washes, but some care of the cleaner is to be expected. Do be mindful of the water level when using that unit. The o-ring clamp helps a lot, but I've had a few labels get wet. Annoying, but not a huge deal to me, but I'm not looking to turn and sell records either, so...
I like that Ultimate Care Kit posted above. Great starter.
A word to the wise - be careful with those brushes that flip out. In my early vinyl days, I went to quickly brush a bit of lint off a record I had in my hand just before sleeving, and managed to drag the sharp corner across the (somewhat-rare) record not just once, but twice! That sucked. In short, no matter what you're brushing with, make sure you have a firm grip, especially when brushing a spinning record. I've had the brush torn from my apparently girlie grip two or three times. That's always a pucker moment.I disabled signatures. -
From JodyWhere can you get the Hepastat in small quantities?Quats ... Since only a ml or less is used in each batch, I have enough to last a few lifetimes. If anyone wants a vial of it, send me a PM.I disabled signatures. -
... but sadly nothing beats a RCM and an Ultrasonic record cleaner IMHO. Speakers: Polk Lsim, ATC SCM19 v2, NHT SuperzeroSpeaker Cables: DH Labs, Transparent, Wireworld, Canare, Monster: Beer budget, Bose ears
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Haha...not sure about that 'magic' comment, Scott. It's based on actual science
The quat Jody recommends is a magic anti-static component. I can't get over how well it works for how small an amount is used in Jody's formula.The quat (Hepastat256) is useful as an anti-fungal/mold agent, and it adds a microscopic layer of anti-static protection.
I've tried a couple of other formulas, one using Triton-X, distilled, and 99% ISO in slightly different ratio without the quat, and also sprung for that L'Art du Son stuff. I prefer Jody's formula over both of those.
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I follow up washes with a distilled rinse, as well as rinsing, cleaning and drying the apparatus after washes, but some care of the cleaner is to be expected. Quats are positively charged, which helps them cling to the vinyl, since vinyl is an insulator. The quat (mostly) balances the charge, preventing extra, unwanted positive charge from accumulating on the surface of the record. Even after a rinse, enough of the quat stays attached to the vinyl to make a difference.
I forgot to mention the need for a rinse with distilled water after the wash. Just like with a clothes washing machine, dishwasher, or even your car, you want to give a final rinse with clean water. No one leaves dirty, soapy water to try on these other items, and it's no different with records. Having said that, many RCMs have vacuum cleaners to suck the dirty water off, so a rinse in that case may be up for debate. However, for RCMs that have more of a bath approach, a follow-up rinse after the wash cycle is definitely recommended.
After the initial wash, I immediately take the record to the sink for a quick tap water rinse, then put it in the drying rack with a fan blowing across. Once I have a batch of washed records dried, I rinse the RCM thoroughly, fill it with fresh distilled water, and do a final rinse cycle. Again, I let them air-dry in the rack with a fan blowing. Wiping records with a cloth or towel will introduce static. I do admit, however, to dabbing a microfiber towel on certain spots where it looks like a streak or spot may form. For the most part, the water beads and rolls off, but there are sometimes spots where the bead doesn't roll completely off the surface.
Yeah, since this stuff is normally used in commercial settings for sanitation purposes, a half gallon is the smallest quantity I've seen. That's enough to clean an entire hospital once it's diluted down to the recommended strength. I'm happy to send you a 50ml vial. That's enough to clean a LOT of records, and make some disinfectant for around the house."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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Which ultrasonic do you use?... but sadly nothing beats a RCM and an Ultrasonic record cleaner IMHO.
I'd love to try a Degritter or Audiodesk to see whether it works noticeably better, esp on albums with stubborn noise despite multiple cleaning methods.
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Spinclean scratches records? Wherever you read that stop reading there.
Wire brushes scratch records.
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I used to use LAST record preservative on all my vinyl back in the day. Just remembered... Does anyone else here use it?
https://www.audioadvisor.com/mobile/prodinfo.asp?number=LARP
Edit: I remember it being a 2 part system. #1 was a special cleaner that prepped the surface and #2 was the actual preservative.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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I still have some LAST. I think it’s lurking somewhere with my green marker for the edges of CDs.
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I also remember the little stickers you'd put on the labels to let you know that they'd been treated and as soon as you pull out the lp to play it the stupid sticker would fall off.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)
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8 step system. I like it. Thorough.mhardy6647 wrote: »
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Before I got an ultrasonic cleaner, I used an engraver set to 'hard' and 'deep' to vibrate the record. (They short out if you submerge them).
I hope this isn't taken seriously.
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Yeah, since this stuff is normally used in commercial settings for sanitation purposes, a half gallon is the smallest quantity I've seen. That's enough to clean an entire hospital once it's diluted down to the recommended strength. I'm happy to send you a 50ml vial. That's enough to clean a LOT of records, and make some disinfectant for around the house.[/quote]
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@smglbrth , since I just picked up a VPI RCM from a fellow polkie, I have a record doctor V5 that I no longer need. Yours for the cost of shipping if you want to give it a whirl. PM me.
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Another Polkie to the rescue!Yep, my name really is Bob.
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