Exterior trim paint recommendations?

daddyjt
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I installed a new french-door into my daylight basement 3 years ago. It came pre-primed, and I applied Rustoleum oil based gloss paint on the trim, and in that time, it’s completely flaking off.

Any recommendations for a long-lasting exterior trim paint?

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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,300
    Benjamin exterior, but all will peel if not dry and re-primed
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  • rebelsoul
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    Emerald urethane shirwin Williams
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  • motorstereo
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    The Rustoleum isn't your problem as the primer is what's peeling right down to the bare wood. If you have moisture problems that should be fixed first. If not I like using a quality oil based primer (if you're lucky enough to find oil based) and top it with an excellent quality gloss latex like Behr Marquee.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,502
    Something is very weird there. What is the substrate? Is it wood or a composite wood product? Seems like manufacturing defect.
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  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 2,547
    Gardenstater wrote: »
    Something is very weird there. What is the substrate? Is it wood or a composite wood product? Seems like manufacturing defect.

    It is primed (at the factory) pine…
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  • daddyjt
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    motorstereo wrote: »
    The Rustoleum isn't your problem as the primer is what's peeling right down to the bare wood. If you have moisture problems that should be fixed first. If not I like using a quality oil based primer (if you're lucky enough to find oil based) and top it with an excellent quality gloss latex like Behr Marquee.

    There is no moisture, beyond what the weather sends down (which isn’t much in UT). I can still get oil-based primer here.
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  • Gardenstater
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    daddyjt wrote: »
    Gardenstater wrote: »
    Something is very weird there. What is the substrate? Is it wood or a composite wood product? Seems like manufacturing defect.

    It is primed (at the factory) pine…

    Was it pressure treated pine? I had a failure like that when painting a pressure treated pine playset for someone once. Not enough time had elapsed and pressure treated pine is inherently moisture laden unless it is kiln dried and kept away from moisture.

    Even if it isn't pressure treated it may have had too high of a moisture/sap content when they primed it.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,133
    Agreed. That's not a paint problem. That's a substrate issue. You can clearly tell that the substrate is delaminating and not the paint (as evidenced by the color being peeled up behind the paint)

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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,601
    Is this South facing? Dark colors will cause higher than normal temperature swings causing the wood to expand and contract excessively. Oil based paint, albeit durable, won't flex like a good exterior latex.
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  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 2,547
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Is this South facing? Dark colors will cause higher than normal temperature swings causing the wood to expand and contract excessively. Oil based paint, albeit durable, won't flex like a good exterior latex.

    Not really - it gets afternoon sun in the winter, but not after about May 1st.

    Sounds like a good stripping and then an oil primer are in order.
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,149
    My first thoughts were, the primer should be a good oil-based alkyd and the finish top coat should be latex.

    Good luck, should hopefully be an easy fix. :)
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  • Jazzhead
    Jazzhead Posts: 533
    As a "once-upon-a-time" house painter, I'd prime with a high quality acrylic/urethane bonding primer as it stretches and will not crack with extreme changes in humidity and temperature (Benjamin Moore Stix for example) and then apply two coats of premium house paint like Benjamin Moore Aura. If you have any sun-grayed wood be sure to sand it away as coatings will adhere poorly to such a surface. No connection with BM paint, I just like their products.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    Another vote for Benjamin Moore.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,895
    Benjamin Moore is our go-to as well, FWIW, since the late 1980s when we lived in California.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    daddyjt wrote: »
    motorstereo wrote: »
    The Rustoleum isn't your problem as the primer is what's peeling right down to the bare wood. If you have moisture problems that should be fixed first. If not I like using a quality oil based primer (if you're lucky enough to find oil based) and top it with an excellent quality gloss latex like Behr Marquee.

    There is no moisture, beyond what the weather sends down (which isn’t much in UT). I can still get oil-based primer here.

    can't get a real beer, but you can still get oil-based primer in Utah dangnabbit!
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,525
    I had extensive exterior wood trim professionally painted last fall with Benjamin Moore paint. It takes a beating from sun, freeze-thaw, wind, rain, ice, snow. Looks great! Usually lasts for several years before it starts peeling again. The paint doesn't matter if the surface isn't prepped right though (sanded, filled, and primed) and the paint isn't put on right. Can't be too hot, can't be too cold, can't be too humid.
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