New Toy!

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,774
edited June 2004 in Speakers
I got me a New Toy!

Definitive Technology BP6B

I was going to go with Russ' DR-7 but I wanted some Bipolar towers, so - sorry Russ, wont be taking the DR-7.

Anyways, I compared them to some Boston's (twice the price) - I much prefered the smaller and less expensive Def Techs. So I thought I would give them a try.

I heard some LSi - on a receiver, they were nice. Not quite what I expected, but the placement and ampage was WEAK.
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    This is the best picture I can get in this dark house...lol

    no light what so ever...

    I can get some better pics when I relocate them to my house
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited June 2004
    Are you going to stack them?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    No sir --

    If I feel I have to they are GOING BACK.

    That is why I am getting rid of my Polks...if they cant perform on their own without help then I'm not keeping them.

    However, these speakers WILL need stands as they are short lil buggers!

    I heard them in the store, stomping the crap out of some 1,000 dollar Boston Acoustics! LOL...funny stuff

    They have dual 5.5" midbass (front and rear firing), and dual 1 inch tweets (front and rear firing).

    Binding post are under the speaker.

    Grill comes off witht he removal of the top cap...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Grill comes off witht he removal of the top cap...
    DT makes some **** ugly (naked) speakers.......I remember them being pretty bass laden, but aesthetic appeal is nil IMO.........
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    Man I think they have an elegant look, with a tad bit of sex appeal...

    With the grills off -- eh lets just say they are made for the grills to be ON.

    However, this is a very thick cabinet, 1 inch thick. Half the size of the RTi70 and weighs the same!

    This one has no subwoofer built in, very balanced sound.

    The towers -- all depends on how you set it up, they are powered -- so they have a volume knob. Bass heavy depends on who sets them up.

    Very troublesome though to take down the grills..
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • pjdami
    pjdami Posts: 1,894
    edited June 2004
    Congrats Sid. Def Techs are well regarded speakers. Spend some time with them before you get all googly eyed and post a review.

    I've heard the BP10s before but the store didn't have the best amplification / placement on them either. Similar to your experience you mention with the LSi.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    Welp - I have 10 days to make up my mind...so...

    I wont even get a chance to hear them till friday...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mrmusicman
    mrmusicman Posts: 303
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3


    That is why I am getting rid of my Polks...if they cant perform on their own without help then I'm not keeping them.


    Pretty harsh words for being on a, POLK AUDIO FORUM.
    Outlaw 990 Processor
    Outlaw 755 Amp
    Denon 2900 dvd-sacd
    Dishnetwork HD-Dvr
    55" Sony LCD RPTV
    Lsi 9-fronts
    Lsic-center
    Rt55i- surrounds
    Velodyne cht-10 sub

    2007 Dodge Quad cab
    Kenwood Excelon KDC-X891
    JL Audio 300/V2
    Polk Audio SR 6500 - Fronts
    Polk Audio DB651 - Rear
    2 -10" Treo Subs
    Interfire IB 2600C sub amp
    Sirius Sat radio
    Ipod connection
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    LOL...

    I doubt anyone takes my opinion to heart -- I don't like the RTi70..

    I like the RT5 and RT35i...

    I feel the RTi70 lacks deeply in the high end...sounds bout like a damp cloth is draped over the tweet (to me)

    The mids on the RTi70 fine...its just when you get to the cymbals, snare, acoustic guitar it sounds bad
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited June 2004
    What do you think about the RTi8's? They have considerably more treble.
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  • hamzahsh
    hamzahsh Posts: 439
    edited June 2004
    Hey what do you think about RT800i's

    In my opinion Polks are the best. Remember, your receiver or pre/pro and AMPs has to do lot more as well. You can't expect everything from your speakers alone. I would say 50% is your pre/pro & AMP or A/V receiver and the 50% goes to your speakers. In other words, better the input, better the output.

    I love my Polks, they have everything, name it.

    :)

    BTW, congrats on your DefTechs.
    Panasonic TH-50PX80U Plasma HDTV
    Polk Audio RT800i (fronts)
    Polk Audio CS400i (center)
    Polk Audio F/X1000 (side surrounds)
    Polk Audio RTi6 (back surrrounds)
    Velodyne CHT-15 (subwoofer)
    Yamaha RX-V1400 (Pre/Pro)
    NAD C272 (2-ch Amp)
    Adcom GFA-7605 (5-ch Amp)
    Toshiba SD-3109 (DVD/CD player)
    Malata DVP-580 (Multi-region DVD player)
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited June 2004
    sex appeal? :confused:
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    LOL...

    I doubt anyone takes my opinion to heart -- I don't like the RTi70..

    I like the RT5 and RT35i...

    I feel the RTi70 lacks deeply in the high end...sounds bout like a damp cloth is draped over the tweet (to me)

    The mids on the RTi70 fine...its just when you get to the cymbals, snare, acoustic guitar it sounds bad

    Now you don't like the 70's????? hummmm I'm at a loss for words, I feel kinda disinfranchized after the heated sales from the past year and all. Now you like the newer 5's? after all the posts of how bright and cheeply made they were when they first came out, Geee now I'm confused...... I have heard Onkyo recievers make the Polks glass shattering bright (bad set-up settings at CC the Akron, Oh. store), so they can put out a brighter sound if that is where you need to be you are just going to have to look for a diff. reciever, like the Onkyo.

    Just ribbing ya on the speakers

    Dave
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    let me elaborate for you guys...

    The Rti70 is the brightest speaker I own, in the worst way. With that brightness, it has no detail.

    I have no experience with the RTi8...

    The RT800i, I dont like the Tri Lam -- it is very bright compared to the Polymer in the RT5.

    I like the RT5 very very much, very smooth.

    Don't get your panties in a bunch here guys...

    I don't like the 70's top end...nuff said.

    You may think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread...

    I like the mids on it, I still think the mids are supperior to the upper end towers in that line.

    I just plugged up the Def Tech to my soundcraftsmen (brought it from home) -- still testing them out, very impressed so far!

    I like Polk man...I still like em. Def Tech and Polk are my favorite brands by far -- but I am just sick of looking at stacked speakers.

    WTH IS THE NEWER RT5???

    That thing is like 7 years old! LOL, from the very first RT series.

    Guys - I dont run a receiver. I run a 200 watt Soundcraftsmen on the RTi70, and a 100 watt Adcom on the RT5. I also use a NAD 917 preamp, a Denon DCM-280 source. I have all my basis covered on this, I believe I have reached the RTi70s full potential to an extent. I am sure they could be better...but I dont think it is my amp or preamps problem.

    I really like Def Tech...and I really like Polk...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited June 2004
    i figured this out about the 70's, I have a very small room for my Ht for now, my 70's tend to get bright at high volumes on music, I still like them alot... however you have a very small room as well.. i have concluded the smallness of the room has alot to do with the brightness of the polks.. ie: the Rti70's.... IMO its your room size, grant it bright is bright and not is not... but when your 6 foot away from the speakers... any speaker can get bright and harsh.... I think anyways.... you cant truley tell the full potential of a speaker in a small room period...
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    Well -- that may be the case, but the RT5 isnt to bright.

    This Def Tech isnt to bright in my room here - but my room here is alot bigger.

    My room here is...

    12x13x9 -- gives off one FUNKY echo effect..

    Only complaint about the def tech so far, well 2 complaints..

    The binding post are on the bottom of the speaker, wtf?
    and...they are short!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,623
    edited June 2004
    I predict the shelf life of the DefTech's to be around 6 months before you find another flavor........
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • dave shepard
    dave shepard Posts: 1,334
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    let me elaborate for you guys...



    WTH IS THE NEWER RT5???

    That thing is like 7 years old! LOL, from the very first RT series.


    Newer is my bad. Still taking ribbing to heart, easy Sid I was only funnin ya. I think everyone that has read your posts on the speakers knows that you have endlessly tweeked them 70's to do what you want and to see what would happen if you did. That is at least the way I read into your posts. As for the Def's I have heard them and at least for me (model # ?) I wasn't real overwealingly impressed, now for me the B&W's that really floored me on 2 channel (again model # ? 609 comes to mind for some reason) both were in a Ultra HI-FI store and am not sure if I would pay those prices so I didn't pay close attention to the model #'s.

    Dave
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  • hamzahsh
    hamzahsh Posts: 439
    edited June 2004
    I found my RT800i to be neutral. I never heard RTi70 and RTi8 so can't really comment on them.

    :cool:
    Panasonic TH-50PX80U Plasma HDTV
    Polk Audio RT800i (fronts)
    Polk Audio CS400i (center)
    Polk Audio F/X1000 (side surrounds)
    Polk Audio RTi6 (back surrrounds)
    Velodyne CHT-15 (subwoofer)
    Yamaha RX-V1400 (Pre/Pro)
    NAD C272 (2-ch Amp)
    Adcom GFA-7605 (5-ch Amp)
    Toshiba SD-3109 (DVD/CD player)
    Malata DVP-580 (Multi-region DVD player)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    3 Things about the def tech that stand out that didnt stand out in the store...

    1) Bass
    2) Soundstage
    3) Detail...

    It will VERY hard to get a good demo of the speakers I just picked up because of size alone...I had to sit on the floor to just get a 'decent' demo if you want to call it that.

    I tweaked the RTi70 to the point where I just started shutting parts of it down...I got it to where I like - but something about it just dosnt sound right to me. Looking to see if the Def Tech can fill the gap - so far I am digging it man...friggin SWEETNESS
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mrmusicman
    mrmusicman Posts: 303
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3


    The Rti70 is the brightest speaker I own





    Could this be from armor all?
    Outlaw 990 Processor
    Outlaw 755 Amp
    Denon 2900 dvd-sacd
    Dishnetwork HD-Dvr
    55" Sony LCD RPTV
    Lsi 9-fronts
    Lsic-center
    Rt55i- surrounds
    Velodyne cht-10 sub

    2007 Dodge Quad cab
    Kenwood Excelon KDC-X891
    JL Audio 300/V2
    Polk Audio SR 6500 - Fronts
    Polk Audio DB651 - Rear
    2 -10" Treo Subs
    Interfire IB 2600C sub amp
    Sirius Sat radio
    Ipod connection
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    Hehe, never armor-alled the RTi70.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited June 2004
    Dave was the first to catch it guys. Somebody give this man a prize. Oh the memories of Sid and his new 70's. How he talked them up at every opportunity, how he basically told people they made the wrong decision (instead of congratulating them) when they bought the larger model, how .. well, forget it.

    I can see it happening already. He'll get a new amp. Something with a little less top end shall we say than the Adcoms. Something like that SoundCraftsmen, suddenly the DFs sound a little too laid back for his liking. Back to square.


    Hey Sid, if you are no longer gonna bi-amp and stack, can I have 4 hours of my time back? Materials and postage are still free.

    Congrats on the possible new speakers. Di-pole fronts when done correctly (like DF, Maggies, etc) can make for a real deep soundstage without sacrificing imaging or overall tone.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    Yes, you may have your cables back.

    I think it has been a known fact for a while that I disliked the 70s...

    So far I like the Def Techs - but it is kinda hard to see what they can do on a Yamaha preamp and a POS Kenwood DVD Player. But...it seems pretty good so far.

    E-Mail me your address gidrah: vr3mxxtrmespl2k3@hotmail.com

    BTW - I already have the soundcraftsmen here, and the Def Techs are not laid back. I am looking for something to keep me at peace with my rig, I am tired of thinking something is missing.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited June 2004
    Keep them!
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    huh? Are you sure?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited June 2004
    Are you kidding? WTF am I gonna do with a set of 8 foot interconnects that go from source to 3 outs? Desolder them and save the wire and plugs? You can keep them. In fact put them in glass labelled "break in case of emergency". They're doing neither of us any good right now and would best be forgotten.

    The best thing to do (above keeping them) would be to post an offering in the Flea Market for a *FREE* set of cables to this description. If anybody bites, you pay for Priority shipping. Other than that, go ahead and cannilabize them but use the same design. If you're not happy I'll give you your money back. Oh, wait...!
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,774
    edited June 2004
    When I can afford to pay shipping, trust me...I am in a hole right now. I will put them on the flea market and offer them up to someone.

    Infact, while I am at it...I will send you some money as well.

    Anyways - Back on subject.

    With Bipolar speakers, would it matter if they face the wall at an angle? Right now I have them facing the wall straight on and it works fine, but in my room at my house they will be firing at an angle to the back wall...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited June 2004
    If you can't afford 5 bucks then I guess you'd better detail another beamer or two.

    Room placement:
    Far from the rear wall angled slightly in. Closer to the rear wall will give deterious effects in that the front wave might be cancelled by the rear wave. Most speakers benefit (these especially) by being angled slightly in. Corner loading will probably kill them due to the standing waves. As always, only you know how your speakers will sound in your room.

    Good friggin' luck
    Mark
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited June 2004
    Congrats on your new speakers.

    what are you going to do with the RTi70's? and your other Polks?

    Are you going all Def Techs for surrounds and center and sub?
    PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
    Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin:
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