RTI A7 lacking detail

ugeshanm
ugeshanm Posts: 2
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Hi. I’ve had my setup with 3 x signature S30 for front stage. I’ve now purchased 2 x RTI A7 to use as front speakers with the intention of moving 2 x S30 to the rear surround. I’m running this of a Denon X2700H. I assumed I would get a better front stage with this setup but I’m not getting nearly enough clarity of the RTI A7 as I was getting from the S30. 3 x S30 provided much more crisp sound with richer detail. Is that the norm? The RTI A7 seems rather muted. The mids and treble seems muddy in comparison. Is it possible that there is an issue with the crossover or is it normal to get better sound quality of smaller S30?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,555
    Tweeter working?
    Did you re-run the room set up mode on the receiver?
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    Did you buy the RTI7's new or used ? First thought is non working tweeters. Second thought, is that you don't have the jumpers on the back installed. Third thought is that your speakers wires are mixed up or not properly connected.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,646
    Clarity is not a weak area of the RTiA speakers.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • MikeUp
    MikeUp Posts: 86
    edited April 2021
    It may just be the sonic character as they have their midrange and upper midrange muted compared to most other Polk Speakers. Being so, the upper bass and treble will drown them out making them sound less detailed. Maybe using an Equalizer on those frequencies will bring them some life and detail in the midrange areas.

    Never thought of using their S30 center channel speaker for stereo speakers. How did you mount them? Mounting on a wall looks like the only choice as they don't look to stable sitting vertically and horizontally look as it would diminish soundstage.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    Definitely not their sonic character.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,949
    "Muddy treble" could be indicative of tweeter or crossover damage due to the previous owner driving them to hard and/or under powering them.
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  • sgtmick63
    sgtmick63 Posts: 166
    Your Denon is way underpowered. 95 watts per channel won't do it.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,646
    sgtmick63 wrote: »
    Your Denon is way underpowered. 95 watts per channel won't do it.

    And that's with only 2 channels driven. Drive more channels and the wpc rating drops lower.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • sgtmick63
    sgtmick63 Posts: 166
    Exactly
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  • pw91686
    pw91686 Posts: 8
    how much power are you running?
    a speaker of that nature is not really going to come alive, imo, until you give it a few hundred watts. and i'm a big believer in headroom.
    Just a dude who loves audio.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    A 100 WRMS/channel separate amp is a good starting point. They’d be happier w/twice that.
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    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,732
    Quantity is not always the answer, quality watts is the key
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,988
    VR3 wrote: »
    Quantity is not always the answer, quality watts is the key
    Ooops. Touché Trey. Quantity w/out quality is near pointless.

    Irrelevant note to Trey: I owe you pics of “D” pads

    Tony
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED, Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga: LCR mids “Foamed & Plugged**”, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered **Rob the Man (Xschop) LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & Mids - 981, connected w/Monoprice Premiere ICs
    Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    ugeshanm wrote: »
    Hi. I’ve had my setup with 3 x signature S30 for front stage. I’ve now purchased 2 x RTI A7 to use as front speakers with the intention of moving 2 x S30 to the rear surround. I’m running this of a Denon X2700H. I assumed I would get a better front stage with this setup but I’m not getting nearly enough clarity of the RTI A7 as I was getting from the S30. 3 x S30 provided much more crisp sound with richer detail. Is that the norm? The RTI A7 seems rather muted. The mids and treble seems muddy in comparison. Is it possible that there is an issue with the crossover or is it normal to get better sound quality of smaller S30?

    Are u still around dude?
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