MOMO MM12 best amp?

Systems
Systems Posts: 14,873
edited June 2004 in Car Subwoofer Talk
can you give me some names of a good amp. I just got one(1) momo MM12. my HU is a ALPINE CDA-9807. I have a KAC-849 AMP pushing 4 6X9 speakers. All of this stuff is in a dodge ram 1500 standard cab. what do you think would be a good amp to push the ONE MM12?

thanks in advance.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    got a price range?
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  • Joel
    Joel Posts: 53
    edited June 2004
    I have one 12" momo in my car and i use a polk C500.1 Mono block and it powers it great. It isn't the cheapest piece of equipment in the world but it does a good job
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2004
    uh... if your just running 1 mm12, DON'T GET A MONO AMP.... i don't feel like explaining, but just don't, get a 2 channel amp from aany known company that will put out a BRIDGED 500-600 watts rms into 4ohms, if you go w/ a mono your just wasting your money, however if you want to power two of these , a mono would be the way to go
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by Jordann
    uh... if your just running 1 mm12, DON'T GET A MONO AMP.... i don't feel like explaining, but just don't, get a 2 channel amp from aany known company that will put out a BRIDGED 500-600 watts rms into 4ohms, if you go w/ a mono your just wasting your money, however if you want to power two of these , a mono would be the way to go
    hes right, unless you see yourself getting another sub in the future, then go mono, if not, go 2 channel
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  • bknauss
    bknauss Posts: 1,441
    edited June 2004
    I'm not getting the reasoning behind this (going 2 channel for one sub and mono for 2 subs)... someone care to explain?
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  • AustinKP
    AustinKP Posts: 861
    edited June 2004
    I think their reasoning is because with a mono amp, unless your sub has 2 or 1 ohm voice coils(MM12 is 4 ohm), you're not getting maximum power out of your amp. With a 2 channel amp bridged to 1, you're getting full power to just one sub, thus more bang for the buck...
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    There is nothing wrong with using a mono amp for a single sub. It is not the best value but there are some advantages.

    First, youll be running the amp at half power which means it will be cleaner and not put off as much heat. If you are installing in a small space like I do then heat is a major concern!

    Second, mono amps tend to be smaller than an equal powered stereo amp. This is because the mono amp is a lot more effecient and doesnt need as much muscle to make the same power, hence a smaller amp. This is important if, again like me, you are installing in a small space and dont need a 3 foot long amp!

    However if money is of chief concern and youre sticking the amps in the trunk with room to spare then the other guys are right in that it would be kind of a waste of money.
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  • bknauss
    bknauss Posts: 1,441
    edited June 2004
    I wouldn't worry about a cleaner signal from having a higher amount of ohms. Although there is an increase in THD, you'll never hear it. But yea, heat can definitely be a reason to worry about what kind of load the amp sees.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    i have yet to blow a 2-channel amp on accident...
    that alone says a lot...
    and a class ab amp will always be cleaner than a class d unless youre running it into distortion...even though the difference either way wont be audible...
    HiFonics Zeus ZX4000
    $270
    400 watts bridged
    10.2 L x 10.4 W x 2.4 H
    HiFonics Brutus BX1500D (mono)
    $530
    13.8 L x 10.4 W x 2.4 H
    450 watts at 4 ohms
    as you can see, monos are not smaller, although they will run cooler if theyre only seeing a 4 ohm load...they only advantage
    i dunno about you, but id rather get a $30 fan than spend the extra $250
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Ummm...well yeah the Brutus is a little bigger. It also puts out 4 TIMES THE POWER!

    Now take a stereo amp that puts out 400x1 and a mono amp that puts out 400x1 and the mono will be smaller. Granted it will only be a few inches but in tight spaces, a few inches might as well be a few yards! ;)
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    well thats the point kind of...
    if you buy a mono...it WILL put out more power, just at different ohms...
    in his case, he wants to power a single sub, so lets say his sub is a 400 watt sub
    then if he went with HiFonics...that would be his only 2 options...
    and the brutus is bigger
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Right, I get ya but youre not getting me. Im not saying that its always the best thing to use a mono amp on a single sub. I was just saying that there can be some benefits and that its not necessarily a waste of money, thats all.

    Hell Ive never used a mono amp. Stereo amps are usually cheaper so I go for them! :D

    However I will probably use one this time around for the aforementioned heat and space issues.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    youre not getting me..
    youre right...lol
    sorry im a little slow--especially when im tired
    to me...what youre saying is:
    you have a 400 watt 4 ohm sub(just to go along with the examples i gave)
    you also said that yes, it will be cheaper to go 2 channel, but the 2 channel that puts out 400x1@4 will be bigger than the mono that puts out 400x1@4
    which its not...where did i go wrong?
    lol
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    I was saying a class D amp that puts out 200x1 at 4 ohms and 400x1 at 2 ohms will be a good bit smaller than a stereo amp that puts out 400x1 bridged.

    However if youre talking about a Momo sub that only has a single voice coil then you could only run a 4 ohm load in the class D amp so youd have to go with an amp that put out 800x1 at 2 ohms and 400x1 at 4 ohms. In that case the class D would be bigger.

    We're both right! ;)
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    oo...so youre comparing 2 ohms against 4...ok, i get ya
    sounddomain and crutchfield has RF's new power series
    some pretty amazing specs!
    big prices though...
    crutchfield says theyre not in stock but sounddoman has em in stock...they look amazing
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Yes but you nailed it, they are expensive as hell!! I mean their 75x2 is $500!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gawdamighty!

    I can get an Orion 100x4 for $400 which is a much better amp in my opinion. Hell PPI arent even that much.

    Now looking for a 125x2? Well you can have an MTX Thunder502 for $350.....or a RF Power T8002 for a mere $700!!!!!! Give me a freaking break! If Im gonn pay $700+ for an amp for my mids/highs Im going to my nearest Brax, Zapco or Tru Tech dealer! :rolleyes:
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2004
    but their ratings are simply amazing
    hell, their 2 channel amps can take a 1 ohm load in stereo, 2 ohms bridged!
    fan cooled...
    nice stuff
    im sure theyll come down in price in a year or so
    guess where i saw a PPI amp installed the other day?
    on PIMP MY RIDE
    haha....i thought that was funny
    the dude had a ford escort...well, actually two...they were welded together to form one...
    it was welded in three spots...in the middle, and one on either side, everything in between was LIQUID NAILS!!
    how dumb can people be...
    anyway they gave him a new scion(read---ugliest POS ive ever seen in my life) which looks like a honda element...but worse...and installed some mtx subs and a ppi 5 channel....lol
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Thats extremely odd. The few times I was able to stomach that stupid show, they installed crap systems. Stuff like Bazooka tubes, Audiobahn amps, Autotek subs. Its about time they actually put a high quality system in something.
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  • bknauss
    bknauss Posts: 1,441
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Thats extremely odd. The few times I was able to stomach that stupid show, they installed crap systems. Stuff like Bazooka tubes, Audiobahn amps, Autotek subs. Its about time they actually put a high quality system in something.

    From what I've heard, PPI went down the toilet in the past couple of years.

    I like the time they did the Ranger (the only time I actually watched the show), and they said the system put out 3000W. Hmmm... if lightning strikes!
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Yes youre right, PPI should change its name to PISS!

    DEI (makers of Viper alarms) bought them out along with a/d/s and rather than just leaving a masterpiece alone they had to go screw it up. You can just look at the specs of the old and new amps and see for yourself. The old SNR was 110db and now its 100 db. The old THD was .02 now its .08. I know specs dont tell the whole story but where there is smoke there is fire!
    :mad:
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    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited June 2004
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Thats extremely odd. The few times I was able to stomach that stupid show, they installed crap systems. Stuff like Bazooka tubes, Audiobahn amps, Autotek subs. Its about time they actually put a high quality system in something.

    Whats wrong with a-bahn amps??? Beyond the chrome, their is decent quality. Soild amps.....priced good........Aubiobahn has to take that FUKING chrome off......at least the immortals have close to no chrome on them :)
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  • AustinKP
    AustinKP Posts: 861
    edited June 2004
    You know, I think DEI also owns Orion besides A/D/S and PPI. When I called Tech support for my PPI amp, they also mentioned those other 2 brands on the hold music. I hope they don't go to crap as well...
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2004
    Yes youre right. I forgot about them owning Orion. To my knowledge anyway, they havent messed with Orions amps very much. Hopefully they wont.
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