Crossover Settings

simoes

I've been trying to configure the crossover settings for my speakers and it all sounds the same to me Looking for some advice to help me configure the crossover settings for each individual speaker.

I have A9s for the fronts, A6 for center, A7s for surrounds, A5s for rears, and A1s for atmos. I've configured the fronts and surrounds to both the large (full range) and small settings and can't really notice much difference. They are driven by outlaw 2200 amps and a Denon AVR-X3700H (preamp mode).

Currently, I have the speakers configured as follows: fronts (A9) & surrounds (A7) set to full range, center (A6) is 60hz, rear (A5) are 40hz, Atmos (A1) 80hz, and subs set to 80hz. I've also set all speakers to small and I really don't notice much difference.

JayDog

You want all your front 3 speakers set to small and at 80htz, regardless how low your towers can go. Your subs can handle bass better and to much Low Frequencies will just muck up your mids and highs on your fronstage, even if you haven't heard it yet, you will in some scenes, just keep listening. let your subwoofers do all that work from 80htz and below!

It makes the hard to hear scenes cleaner and your bass is much easier to fine tune/blend xo's with your towers and your room.

All of us have been down this road, Some of us have to learn for ourselves, but I tried all the htz setting's and I have had front towers that go as low as most subs "25htz" and its still always sounds better at 80htz for majority of all scenes.

THX and majority of all home theater companies all agree between 60-80htz & all speakers set to Small, I have bounced back and fourth between 60-80 and 80 is the winner in my room!

Spend your time fine tuning your room and doing sub crawl etc..leave the speakers all small and at 80htz..unless they are very small speakers and cant cover 80htz then where ever 90htz or 110htz etc.... cheers!

JayDog

Another reason for the 80htz small setting over big 60htz or 40htz is the following.
Every room I have measured with my measurement mic and Rew software over the years has a dip or null between 80-40htz its usually 60-40htz area and is usually the hardest part of tuning your room is getting the Low Frequencies right!

Setting your speakers at 80htz makes the fine tuning a little easier in most cases imo.
you can use your AVR room correcting software for doing the 80htz and above work. You can concentrate on getting the below 80htz frequency response correct.

Room treatments- to counter first, second & back reflections, You can move one of your subs around allot easier in your room, then trying to get one of your towers or center bass correct etc.

Tuning your room correctly is a art and is hard enough, without setting your towers or center crossovers at fullrange, 40htz or 60htz, unless you are happy where your room FR, you can always make it sound better with fine tuning imo.

You have less control or options to fix your rooms Frequency Response with any other setting then 80htz-speakers small.
Why make things more difficult on yourself. My two cents!

TopperDude

Just like Jaydog mentioned, set all speakers to small with crossover point between 80hz to 100hz. Subwoofer though should be set to 'LFE' (not LFE+Main) and left at default 120hz.

If you are getting better performance setting the speaker crossover below 80hz, you are having issues that need to be looked into and resolved. Perhaps better location for your subwoofer or possibly moving your listening position slightly forward or rearward to avoid room null, etc.


* Please dont ban me. Only trying to help *

simoes

JayDog wrote: »

THX and majority of all home theater companies all agree between 60-80htz & all speakers set to Small, I have bounced back and fourth between 60-80 and 80 is the winner in my room!

I have definitely heard of the recommended settings of 80hz and all speakers set to small. You would figure Denon would be well aware of those recommended settings and would incorporate those ideal settings into Audyssey. Every time I run Audyssey, the default settings of the fronts and surrounds are set to full range. It really does not make any sense!

JayDog

simoes wrote: »

JayDog wrote: »

THX and majority of all home theater companies all agree between 60-80htz & all speakers set to Small, I have bounced back and fourth between 60-80 and 80 is the winner in my room!

I have definitely heard of the recommended settings of 80hz and all speakers set to small. You would figure Denon would be well aware of those recommended settings and would incorporate those ideal settings into Audyssey. Every time I run Audyssey, the default settings of the fronts and surrounds are set to full range. It really does not make any sense!

Simoes, I asked myself this same question about 10yrs ago when Audyssey was the only software worth using for room correction and Onkyo's was the hot AVR's that used it.

Audyssey like THX. is a totally separate company and isn't owned by Sound United "Denon, Marrantz, Polk, Def Tec, B&W etc." last time I checked, But, these things change fast...

OK... To answer your question as simply as possible, It is a bug in the Audyssey software, just like it flags 3-way speakers as polarity error. Bass does crazy things like doubles in this corner or off that wall etc.
Audssey is is trying to read your rooms frequency response not the speakers frequency response. It is not a exact science by any means.

All you can do is adjust the XO's, speaker size, distances & level settings after it runs it final analysis.

Or you can buy your own measurement microphone with software
and tune your room yourself.
I still like using Audssey as a start program, then i go over all the setting's and fine tune them.

The good news is now we have more software options then ever before like Ypoa, Dirac, Arc and they are all getting better every year.
Cheers!