Can someone help locate? Ella and Louis, Verve, Stereo, 200g, 45rpm

Joey_V
Joey_V Posts: 8,552
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Hello guys-

I tried the usual avenues, I cannot find this particular LP.

Ella and Louis, Verve, Stereo, 200g, 45rpm.

I found the mono on acoustic sounds and ebay, but I cannot find the stereo version.
If anyone has special access or can find it, I would be in debt to you.

Please and thx.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    Appears to be a mono only recording.
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  • displayname
    displayname Posts: 1,148
    Discogs is your friend.
    Looks like there are some Stereo releases that are 180g, or mono in 200.

    180g clear
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-Louis/release/14366485

    200g Japan Mono
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-And-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-And-Louis/release/2419380

    200g AP US (probably the one you're looking for)
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/3513495

    Same as above but numbered
    Https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/15293326
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    I know you’re wanting to build your LP collection, but I have this on cd and it’s a very good recording.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    The open reel tape has a good reputation as well.
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  • engie490
    engie490 Posts: 431
    I'm a big fan of this recording. I have the AP 45 RPM stereo version, the standard issue Verve 33 RPM, the AP SACD, and the Verve CD.

    I just haven't sat down and listened back-to-back to finely distinguish the differences.
    It's a very good sign that I'm too busy enjoying the music to worry about it.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    I believe I have this on SACD as well as regular CD and record, not sure about tape.
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  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,701
    edited December 2020
    I picked this box set up on Amazon a couple of years ago when it’s was discussed here that it was mis-priced. I think many Polkies bought one.

    I think it has what you are looking for but it’s not 45rpm.

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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,013
    Definitely, as recommended, set up an account on Discogs. Fantastic resource for research and figuring out which version's which. Sometimes owners will comment down at the bottom of a release page, so you can get a sense for quality, or whether there's a better recommended pressing. I just used this recently when trying to find a decent modern copy of Dark Side of the Moon.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    displayname wrote: »
    Discogs is your friend.
    Looks like there are some Stereo releases that are 180g, or mono in 200.

    180g clear
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-Louis/release/14366485

    200g Japan Mono
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-And-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-And-Louis/release/2419380

    200g AP US (probably the one you're looking for)
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/3513495

    Same as above but numbered
    Https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/15293326

    Those last two, go to a link page that says mono... I still haven’t found the stereo
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  • displayname
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    displayname wrote: »
    Discogs is your friend.
    Looks like there are some Stereo releases that are 180g, or mono in 200.

    180g clear
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-Louis/release/14366485

    200g Japan Mono
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-And-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-And-Louis/release/2419380

    200g AP US (probably the one you're looking for)
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/3513495

    Same as above but numbered
    Https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/15293326

    Those last two, go to a link page that says mono... I still haven’t found the stereo
    If there isn't a 200g 45Rpm copy on discogs, that generally means it most likely doesn't exist.

    Granted, discogs is crowd sourced, so it's not flawless. But on older well known albums like that the more common issue is duplicate entries, not ommited versions.
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  • Clipdat
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    What's the point of listening to a mono recording in "stereo"?

    Calling it "stereo" is either mislabled, or a re-channeled fake stereo.
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 4,899
    https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/67241/Ella_Fitzgerald_and_Louis_Armstrong-Ella_and_Louis-45_RPM_Vinyl_Record

    Try this. In stock as well.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    displayname wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    displayname wrote: »
    Discogs is your friend.
    Looks like there are some Stereo releases that are 180g, or mono in 200.

    180g clear
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-Louis/release/14366485

    200g Japan Mono
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-Fitzgerald-And-Louis-Armstrong-Ella-And-Louis/release/2419380

    200g AP US (probably the one you're looking for)
    https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/3513495

    Same as above but numbered
    Https://www.discogs.com/Ella-And-Louis-Ella-And-Louis/release/15293326

    Those last two, go to a link page that says mono... I still haven’t found the stereo
    If there isn't a 200g 45Rpm copy on discogs, that generally means it most likely doesn't exist.

    Granted, discogs is crowd sourced, so it's not flawless. But on older well known albums like that the more common issue is duplicate entries, not ommited versions.

    Yeah, maybe I made a mistake and it was not stereo I was looking for.
    The AS is mono.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    Clipdat wrote: »
    What's the point of listening to a mono recording in "stereo"?

    Calling it "stereo" is either mislabled, or a re-channeled fake stereo.

    Those were my thoughts also, if all is mono, why was there a stereo LP? But if it's a unicorn...
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    edited December 2020
    So you don't care about real or perceived audio quality, or the recording itself, you just want to find it because it might be a "unicorn"?

    Again, the original recording was mixed down to mono, so I don't think there's any point to searching for a "stereo" version. But good luck with your search I guess.
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 4,899
    Oh my bad, you already knew about the AS version.
    To me, a good mono recording sounds just as good as
    a good Stereo recording with the obvious narrower soundstage.
    Carry on!
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  • displayname
    displayname Posts: 1,148
    Some people like fake stereo. Some really seek out mono. When it comes to vinyl I'd stress more about the mastering engineer and the pressing plant. In my experience those elements make or break a record more than anything else.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited December 2020
    Clipdat wrote: »
    So you don't care about real or perceived audio quality, or the recording itself, you just want to find it because it might be a "unicorn"?

    Again, the original recording was mixed down to mono, so I don't think there's any point to searching for a "stereo" version. But good luck with your search I guess.

    My friend has a limited numbered edition of this record, it said “stereo” on it. I’m trying to confirm with him if i just read it wrong...

    I have the mono incoming for Christmas, but if there’s a verve pressed stereo, I’ll take it. If it’s done well and sounds good, I don’t really care if the unit is originally mono.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    SIHAB wrote: »
    Oh my bad, you already knew about the AS version.
    To me, a good mono recording sounds just as good as
    a good Stereo recording with the obvious narrower soundstage.
    Carry on!

    How narrow is a mono soundstage... like a thin line in front of you? Or the whole area between speakers?
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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 4,899
    edited December 2020
    In my setup in my room, it doesn't go much outside the speakers.
    I guess you will find out soon enough. :)
    I'll spin some monos today...
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    SIHAB wrote: »
    In my setup in my room, it doesn't go much outside the speakers.
    I guess you will find out soon enough. :)
    I'll spin some monos today...

    Monos ftw!
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    Btw -

    how are you guys going about labeling your LPs?

    How do you know what is 33 or 45rpm?
    Which is 180 or 200g?
    Which is mono or stereo?

    I feel like I'm going to start forgetting which is which soon enough....

    Do you guys use a sticker or label system?
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  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,701
    edited December 2020
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Btw -

    how are you guys going about labeling your LPs?

    How do you know what is 33 or 45rpm?
    Which is 180 or 200g?
    Which is mono or stereo?

    I feel like I'm going to start forgetting which is which soon enough....

    Do you guys use a sticker or label system?

    I store all albums in outer sleeves. Then I write all information I want on the sleeve with a sharpie.

    I have seen others use a labeling system but I don't feel like taking the time for that. And if you use a label I would not attach it to the actual cover.
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  • displayname
    displayname Posts: 1,148
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Btw -

    how are you guys going about labeling your LPs?

    How do you know what is 33 or 45rpm?
    Which is 180 or 200g?
    Which is mono or stereo?

    I feel like I'm going to start forgetting which is which soon enough....

    Do you guys use a sticker or label system?

    To be honest, I don't. When I'm shopping and cataloging, I pay attention to those details, but once I have it logged on my discogs, I really don't think about it again. There are a couple albums I have multiple pressings of, and if I need to dig into the details of which is which I'll pull it up on my discogs account and figure out which is which.

    If it's 45 or 33, it's almost always on the label. If it's not, I'll know it right away when the needle drops. Not a big worry there. I also just weirdly remember most of the time.

    I know some cartridges can be more finicky and need adjustments between various pressing weights, but I haven't found that to be an issue in my set up. It may very well be an issue on your level of gear. But another thing I have always felt about that is honestly most pressings aren't perfect, and a warp you might not even notice is going to likely cause more movement and variation than the height difference between 180 and 200, or even a standard pressing and 200.

    If you do want to track all of that, I think tratliff has the perfect solution.
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  • tratliff
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    The items I mostly track is how much I paid and if the album was sealed or not. I’ve told my wife not to look at the cost but when I’m not around it will help others understand value.

    I would also like to track clean date and play date but have not gone to that extreme just yet.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    tratliff wrote: »
    The items I mostly track is how much I paid and if the album was sealed or not. I’ve told my wife not to look at the cost but when I’m not around it will help others understand value.

    I would also like to track clean date and play date but have not gone to that extreme just yet.

    I like that idea
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