Innuos Streamers

Anybody have any experience with these products -- especially the "Statement?"
Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    The Zenn MKIII. Looks very good. Now i need to get my research on!
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    @erniejade,
    Thanks for posting that link to theaudiobeatnik review of the Innuos Statement. It seems to be a "rave" review. I hope his promised review of the Statement system with a PS Audio DirectStream DAC comes out soon. I would be using the Statement, if I were to purchase one, with a DirectStream DAC.
    Thank you, again, for this lead.
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    Anytime. They do look very nice. I had a DSJ and I actually preferred not using the Brdge II as a streamer. I thought it sounded better with my lumin going to it.
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 9,507
    I just realized the Innuos Statement is nearly $14k. Ouch. Certainly a lot of good options to consider at that price.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    The mini is reasonably priced
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,367
    I’d love to roll the Statement into my system, but it’s just too rich for my blood ...
    erniejade wrote: »
    The mini is reasonably priced

    The Lumin Mini Is outstanding at its price point. Especially with the newly released Leedh volume control/processing.
    I’m really surprised there hasn’t been any talk about it here on CP
    From what I’ve read, most people really like it. I do


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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 9,507
    Part two of the Audio Beatnik review has now been posted, featuring the Lampizator DAC pairing. Part three with the PS Audio DAC is still forthcoming.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 4,064
    This is the model I'm considering when I finally make the move to a dedicated Streamer. Perfect for lazy chaps such as myself ;)

    https://innuos.com/en/catalog/go/zenmini-mk3-1tb-lpsu
    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • maxwardmaxward Posts: 829
    That’s the one I’ve been looking at, too, along with the Lumin U1 Mini. I’d like to see a comparison of the two.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 4,064
    maxward wrote: »
    That’s the one I’ve been looking at, too, along with the Lumin U1 Mini. I’d like to see a comparison of the two.

    Exact same two I'm looking at as well. Both get very good reviews and are very similar in price.

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    Thanks for the link.
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,516
    Sounds crazy but because of the reviews, i want to hear the border patrol se-i dac.
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 9,507
    Yeah I've wanted to hear that DAC for a while now too!
  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,496
    Me too on the Border Patrol.
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  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    @Clipdat,

    Thanks for the link to the review of the Statement with the PS Audio DS DAC w/ Windom firmware.
    I read the review (in part) to my wife, who gave me her blessing to buy it. :) The reviewer’s summary comments hit all of her hot buttons, as well as many of mine.
    I just wish the guy had Polk SDA SRS 1.2tls in his system! I suspect my SDAs may have some of the soundstage virtues he “recovered” in his system with the addition of the Statement.
    Now, before I plunk down the money to purchase the Statement, I have to see whether I can get one to audition in my system. It’s a pretty big investment without hearing it with all the particulars of my own system.
    We’ll see what happens next!
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 9,507
    I'd reach out to Mark Sosa [email protected] and inquire regarding the Innuos in-home demo.
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    Thanks, @Clipdat,
    I’ve sent an email to an av dealer in Jersey City, which is more convenient for me. If that doesn’t pan out, I’ll pursue your suggestion in Tyson’s Corner.
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 9,507
    she enjoys the music at a higher volume level than ever before, which is frequently a bone of contention between us.

    Worth the price alone just for this.
  • Clipdat wrote: »
    she enjoys the music at a higher volume level than ever before, which is frequently a bone of contention between us.

    Worth the price alone just for this.

    Definitely!
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    edited November 2020
    I have been listening to all my music from the Innuos Statement since I installed it a bit over two months ago.

    My initial observations in an earlier post about improvements it has made in our system continue to be substantiated by many hours of listening. A couple of additional observations:
    1. The rendering of older CDs and CDs remastered from vinyl LPs is considerably improved. At a reasonable volume level, it is largely impossible to distinguish their SQ from the SQ of contemporary CDs.
    2. As I gain familiarity with Roon, the ease of use of the set up is greatly improved from my Synology DSM set up. It is easy to create playlists, to find and select music to play, etc.
    3. The Innuos operating system make it very easy to rip additional CDs into storage. Ripping is fast. Roon identifies cover art and metadata and adds it to the albums. Even as good as Roon is, however, ripping and storing classical music requires some manual work, but nothing like what I had to do routinely when I was relying on iTunes and Synology DSM.
    4. Finally, Roon and the Innuos Statement support multiple zones that easily can be used to play music together simultaneously or separately.

      Overall, I am quite happy with my investment in the Innuos Statement and Roon.
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • JayCeeJayCee Posts: 1,086
    edited November 2020
    Nice follow-up on the Innuos. Glad to see this is working for you and improved your SQ.

    I left my DSM in the dust for Roon several years ago and haven't regretted it a bit. I have quite a bit of classical music but don't get into the weeds w/respect to cataloging, however, know it's one of the biggest critiques from the classical Roon crowd and what you describe. Did you get Roon w/the lifetime subscription before they changed the price structure?

    Kind of a tangent and have been meaning to ask you...and, if this will muck up your intent for this thread I apologize, we can move to another...

    Have you followed the DirectSteam modding thread on PSA's board?

    There's a guy that's replaced the transformers w/the same manufacturer but model above what was used in the DS. Fifty dollars for 2 and $25 shipping (ouch, for something so small). Drop in replacement and the guy's claiming positive results. Also, Ted Smith is contributing to the conversation and is providing positive guidance. Pretty cool to have him accessible and open to helping the DIY crowd. Long thread but what I've referenced starts here if you haven't seen it: https://forum.psaudio.com/t/modding-the-directstream-dac/2680/161?u=jaycee

    My DS's out of warranty, so I ordered a pair. Lead time is like 6-8 weeks and $77.04 shipped. I'm comfortable with my soldering skills but for someone that doesn't want to it's fairly easy to take out the board and have a competent tech de-solder/re-solder a few leads.

    There's also talk of building a beefed up power supply. I'm waiting until they have a monkey see, monkey do road map and proven success for this.

    Again, don't mean to muck up your thread but in the interest of moving forward and improving your sound, thought I'd mention it. Oh, and, isn't it time for Ted/PSA to release another mountaintop?

    P.S. Your signature needs to be updated w/the new component. :)
    Speakers: Polk1.2tl's (Uber Mods) Pre/Amp/DAC: PS Audio BHK Signature & 250, DirectStream Cables/IC's: MIT S1Bi-Wire/S1 Balanced +Avel Lindberg 1000VA "Dreadnought" Power Conditioner: PS Audio P15 Power Plant Power Cords: Core Power Technologies Gold, DH Labs Power Plus DIY w/Neotech NC-P301 & P311ends Streamer: Roon ROCK on wifi'd NUC & Uptone EtherREGEN⟿Ω☯☥☮⟿🔊♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    Thanks, @JayCee,

    I started with Roon on the one-year subscription because I wanted to make sure I could deal with its problems in tagging classical music, as well as sets of CDs. I have a lot of both categories of potential problems for Roon. So far, I think I can manage, but I have a number classical sets to rip -- e.g. a set of recording by the Amadeus Quartet ("The Complete Recordings on Deutsche Grammophon") and Itzhak Perlman ("The Complete Warner Recording"). I'm anxious to see how Roon handles them. It did not do as well as I would have liked with a set of six Segovia CDs with which I tested it during my demo of the Statement.

    I doubt I could have gotten in for a "bargain" price on the lifetime subscription. The lifetime subscription seemed pretty pricey to me at the time. The lifetime subscription's high price was one reason I chose the one-year subscription. It would have taken a few years to get a return on the initial capital outlay. However, I don't know what the price was before the change in price structure.

    I appreciate Ted Smith's attitude toward development, modifications and customer service and satisfaction, not to mention the things he has achieved with the firmware upgrades for the DSD. However, one of my two DSDs is still under warranty. I won't touch that one for now. I am also not terribly skilled in soldering. I can do the basics, but from what I have read, desoldering and reinstalling the transformer upgrade requires some skill and experience. I have some old PCBs in the basement, with which I shall do some experimentation before I open up either DSD and begin fiddling with it. I'll go for higher end fuses first! :)

    I have upgraded the power cords on my PS Audio equipment with noticeable improvements in SQ, as confirmed by my wife's ears, which I trust more than mine. I have not purchased high-end power cords, but have chosen to fabricate my own from good components.

    A power supply upgrade would be interesting. One of the claims of the Innuos developers is that they have a superior power supply and topology for power handling. I don't know enough to have an opinion, other than the opinions about the improved SQ the Statement has brought to my two systems. How the power handling figures in that improvement, I don't know.

    Don't worry about adding a related topic to this thread. I try not to be OCD about such matters because I like to think of my threads as conversation for which participants do not have to be physically present. In a house with three women -- my wife and two daughters -- I'm accustomed to conversations that wander from my starting points!

    With respect to updating my signature, I'll try to get to that soon!

    Cheers!
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • JayCeeJayCee Posts: 1,086
    I paid $499 for Roon lifetime after a year of using it. Not only for the DS but to integrate w/multiple sources. If I were to bet, and I'm not much of a $ gambler, i'd take the odds that Roon will keep moving forward on the classical/multidisc front and get you closer to your goal.

    I have 2 Squeezbox Touch's and 2 Chromecast devices. I also bet on Roon having a good chance to succeed and be compatible w/many devices moving forward. TBH, the bells and whistles, ie. album/group info, smart suggestions, etc. don't really hold my attention, I'm capable of doing a search if I want, but the seamless integration has been the selling point.

    I'm a PC guy w/tech background so setting up networks and the like aren't an issue. I rip on a PC and use Roon Rock on a NUC with great success. Also, added a EtherREGEN to great affect on the DSD.

    Goes to show there are many ways to skin this cat. Again, glad you've found a very satisfying solution and always appreciate different approaches for reference at a later date.
    Speakers: Polk1.2tl's (Uber Mods) Pre/Amp/DAC: PS Audio BHK Signature & 250, DirectStream Cables/IC's: MIT S1Bi-Wire/S1 Balanced +Avel Lindberg 1000VA "Dreadnought" Power Conditioner: PS Audio P15 Power Plant Power Cords: Core Power Technologies Gold, DH Labs Power Plus DIY w/Neotech NC-P301 & P311ends Streamer: Roon ROCK on wifi'd NUC & Uptone EtherREGEN⟿Ω☯☥☮⟿🔊♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,760
    @JayCee,

    You have much greater knowledge of this stuff than I. You are lucky!

    My late father used say to me, "Phil, there are a hundred ways to skin a cat, and they are all bad for the cat!"

    Your comment brought back some fond memories! :)
    Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer with Morrow Audios USB cable to DirectStream DAC w/Bridge II; AQ Sky XLRs, McIntosh MC 220 Tube Pre; AQ Sky XLRs, CAT 600.2 Dualmono Amp, Morrow SP7 Speaker Cables, SDA SRS 1.2tls (RD0198s, Dreadnought, Black Hole 5, Acousta-Stuf, Dynamat Extreme, JBWeld. Vr3 Mods: "The Abbot" Monastery-Level Xovers, Custom Internal Wiring, Binding Post Plates, & SDA ICs).

    Exercise Room, Wadia 171 iPod Dock, PS Audio PerfectWave Transport, Innuos Streamer with Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ Sky XLRs, Perreaux PMF3150 Amp, Dreadnought, Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables, SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers).

    Synology 713+ NAS on Gigabit LAN serving PW MkII DAC & DirectStream DAC.
  • JayCeeJayCee Posts: 1,086
    I like your dad!
    Speakers: Polk1.2tl's (Uber Mods) Pre/Amp/DAC: PS Audio BHK Signature & 250, DirectStream Cables/IC's: MIT S1Bi-Wire/S1 Balanced +Avel Lindberg 1000VA "Dreadnought" Power Conditioner: PS Audio P15 Power Plant Power Cords: Core Power Technologies Gold, DH Labs Power Plus DIY w/Neotech NC-P301 & P311ends Streamer: Roon ROCK on wifi'd NUC & Uptone EtherREGEN⟿Ω☯☥☮⟿🔊♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬♩♪♫♬
  • invalidinvalid Posts: 478
    What happened with room non certified devices, do they all still work with room?
  • invalidinvalid Posts: 478
    Spell check, roon certified devices
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