Recommendations for used AVR w/5 channel pre outs* for outdoor 4 spkr sound system.

Recommendations for used AVR w/5 channel pre outs* for outdoor 4 spkr sound system. Mostly for music. Also for 6-7 televised fall Saturday sports events.
Not picky on brand. Favor smaller chassis.
System will NOT be in a climate-controlled environment

What’s important:
Remote control,
HDMI connections
Prefer Digital coax for Circa ‘90s CD changer.
Reliability** more important than “super SQ”
Blue tooth nice but modules are available

* Parasound HCA-855🤩 handling the watts
** system powered by dedicated AC feed but no plan for power conditioner

I use PayPal. 😊

Side note looking for another pair of Atrium 55 speakers - thnx ’Mouse

1000 thanks in advance, Tony
Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered

LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s

Comments

  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    Tons of stuff on eBay tony. I recently bought a Yamaha rx-a820 for $135 shipped, bought the remote separate for $20. I would look for an older denon, Yamaha, or pioneer.
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Tons of stuff on eBay tony. I recently bought a Yamaha rx-a820 for $135 shipped, bought the remote separate for $20. I would look for an older denon, Yamaha, or pioneer.
    thanks for your input. I’m expecting to find something in that $ range.

    I’ve since done some looking around and I must confess: to which 2 or 3 brands should I limit the eBay search engine? THOUSANDS of choices!!

    Thanks again to you and in advance to anyone else.
    Tony
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    I won’t rule out any inexpensive pre/pros either
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    edited June 6
    Do most AVRs* have a user adjustable EQ? If so, suggestions*? Must have preouts

    Right now I have a neutral sounding Sony CD player driving a NAD 3020 pre out driving a Parasound 1000 to break in these Atrium 55s. To my ear they are clean and musical but “hot” from 2-3K on up. I think some shelving cut would do the trick. Either that or the XO needs a little surgical TLC

    Thanks
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 2,670
    It does seem like pre-outs are getting harder to find on mid range receivers these days - they seem to be reserved only for TOTL units. I have 2 units - a Sony STRDA2ES and a H/K AVR 247, both of which have preouts and EQ. I'm not using either with external amps right now; they are doing fine, but I did run the Sony with an external amps when I had towers in my HT. It did a great job. The Sony has no HDMI, while the H/K has a 2 in, one out configuration which supports 1080p
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    anonymouse wrote: »
    It does seem like pre-outs are getting harder to find on mid range receivers these days - they seem to be reserved only for TOTL units. I have 2 units - a Sony STRDA2ES and a H/K AVR 247, both of which have preouts and EQ. I'm not using either with external amps right now; they are doing fine, but I did run the Sony with an external amps when I had towers in my HT. It did a great job. The Sony has no HDMI, while the H/K has a 2 in, one out configuration which supports 1080p

    Not exactly true: all Marantz SR units have full preouts (the 5xxxx series is about $1000), Yamaha starts adding them at the rx-a8xx series that is about $800 new, denon is the worst you don’t get preouts until the avr-x3xxx series, but there are still several models above that.

    It is true that preouts have basically disappeared from entry level models and just about anything you can find at Best Buy...
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    Swapped to a Belles (FS BTW). Right off a softer top end or rather not so “hot” yet desirably. Hafta listen some more to be sure as I had to run. Kinda makes me wonder...
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    edited June 7
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    anonymouse wrote: »
    It does seem like pre-outs are getting harder to find on mid range receivers these days - they seem to be reserved only for TOTL units. I have 2 units - a Sony STRDA2ES and a H/K AVR 247, both of which have preouts and EQ. I'm not using either with external amps right now; they are doing fine, but I did run the Sony with an external amps when I had towers in my HT. It did a great job. The Sony has no HDMI, while the H/K has a 2 in, one out configuration which supports 1080p

    Not exactly true: all Marantz SR units have full preouts (the 5xxxx series is about $1000), Yamaha starts adding them at the rx-a8xx series that is about $800 new, denon is the worst you don’t get preouts until the avr-x3xxx series, but there are still several models above that.

    It is true that preouts have basically disappeared from entry level models and just about anything you can find at Best Buy...
    ive looked at few marantz NR AVRs on eBay. Didn’t see any w/surround outs. Right now an older unit is lookin’ good as used HDMI friendly units w/ pre outs above my budget ($150). I prefer HDMI friendly AVRs but Anonymouse suggested run the digital out from the TV to an older unit for sound feed, letting an external amp* power the speakers.
    *a P’sound HCA-855 - subject to change

    I’m gonna look more closely at anonymouse’s Sony AVR & HK
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    Any of these should work:

    https://www.ebay.com/p/65665497
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    edited June 15
    RT59 et al: BIG thnx for your input. Below I ask for more...

    What’s the consensus on these Denon AVRs* powering an otherwise modest backyard system? I’m thinking yield to KISS and selling instead of using my P’sound HCA-855**to power it. We all know, in most cases, a separate amp will run circles around most AVRs but...
    *I’ve studied the Denon 3312, 3300 or 2808 specs; Pioneer next
    **85/125WPC 8/4 ohm https://parasound.com/vintage/hca855a.php

    Thanks for your allowing me to pick your brains. Gonna pull the trigger soon. HDMI not required but an optical* or coax* is. By the same token it’s mostly about “tunes.” 5, depending upon the weather, up to 10 Saturday afternoons we’ll watch college games w/friends in the fresh air😊
    *DVR has both plus LR RCAs
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,563
    The older beefier AVRs actually sounded pretty solid, especially powering efficient speakers. Since HDMI is not required, here are a couple I would look at:

    Denon avr-3805 (up to 3808ci)
    Yamaha RX-V2500 (1500 is also pretty solid)
    Harman Kardon avr-520/630/7000

    I would be perfectly happy with any of those powering my outdoor speakers fwiw...
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Martin Logan Grotto sub; Musical Fidelity A308; Cambridge Azur 851N
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,508
    Denon AVR 2802 Precision audio component heading this way.

    2-3 days ago I laughed, at my self, because I’m usually chiming in to help AVR owners make a decision to upgrade to a separate amp🤪

    Again, a big thanks to all that chimed in.
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
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