Yet another LSiM 705/Amp Combo question!

Hi,
I recently bought a set of LSiM 705's to use in a music only set up. I've been listening to them for a few weeks and really enjoy them. I was now hoping to get some advice on a new amp.

I have been reading MANY discussions on this and other forums about driving these speakers. Right now I feel like a dog that has been chasing its own tail for too long. I'm a little confused and dizzy from so many choices.

A little detail on my set up and what I would like. As I said, it is music only. The room is 15' X 20' with hardwood floors and lots of large windows. It is actually a sun room that opens to my deck. I want to play music in the room and on the deck. I have a pair of bluetooth speakers outside and would like for them to play the same thing that is on the main speakers inside. I use a turntable, CD, ipod, and streaming services for music. I prefer the simplicity of a single box versus separates.

I have been looking at a couple of network steaming devices with bluetooth transmitters. The Yamaha R-N803 and the NAD C368 both offer this feature. They are 100 and 80 wpc, respectively. I am concerned/confused as to whether this is enough power. I have read many post that say close to 200 watts is needed. But, at least one poster here praised the Yamaha A-S801 as plenty powerful. From what I have seen, the 803 and 801 share the same power supply.

I must confess (although most could guess) that I am not a true audiophile. However, I would like nice sound. I would appreciate opinions on these choices or other comparable ones in the $1000 - $1200 range. Thanks.

Comments

  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,432
    The 200 watts thing is an ideal. The speakers will work fine with a stereo receiver as long as the volume is kept to a reasonable level. Pushed too hard and it will damage the speakers eventually. I'd choose the Yamaha for its features. People run into trouble more with trying to run seven speakers at concert levels from a cheap home theater receiver and then complain that the speakers are defective. The power supply can't provide enough current for that and speaker damage ensues. The N803 is not cheap and it's only two channels.
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 205; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 Preamp; Classe Model 25 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio Power Director; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Parasound JC2BP and A21; Sony 48" 4K TV; Wyred4Sound DAC 2; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,235
    Doesn't matter if it's only 2 channels. Use a speaker selector switch to run the ones outside.

    As for power, get the one with the most, more is better, less not so much.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,347
    We have been told by folks on here with much experience that, in your price range, Parasound might be the best fit.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,770
    edited August 19
    Don't go with a jack of all trades solution. You will be disapointed. If you can stretch the budget just a bit I think you would be happy with something like this:

    Integrated Amp: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXA80-Amplifier-Black-Refurbished/253276587079?epid=25016280366&hash=item3af8760447:g:tPoAAOSw5PJbCFyC

    and streamer/dac: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXNv2-Network-Player-Black-Refurbished/253567720096?hash=item3b09d05aa0:g:gtMAAOSwef9a1hhS

    Both direct from Cambridge. I know the power rating is actually less, but power isn't everything...this is basically a dual mono design and should wipe the floor with that Yamaha...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
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  • HoundDogHoundDog Posts: 5
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Don't go with a jack of all trades solution. You will be disapointed. If you can stretch the budget just a bit I think you would be happy with something like this:

    Integrated Amp: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXA80-Amplifier-Black-Refurbished/253276587079?epid=25016280366&hash=item3af8760447:g:tPoAAOSw5PJbCFyC

    and streamer/dac: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXNv2-Network-Player-Black-Refurbished/253567720096?hash=item3b09d05aa0:g:gtMAAOSwef9a1hhS

    Both direct from Cambridge. I know the power rating is actually less, but power isn't everything...this is basically a dual mono design and should wipe the floor with that Yamaha...

    Unfortunately the Cambridge does not have bluetooth. When you add the BT-100 dongle it is a receiver only.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,432
    Bluetooth connectivity rather than WIFI streaming outdoors seems to be a priority with this system. It’s built into the Yamaha unit but would require an add on “dongle” with some other gear like the one from Cambridge. It’s an extra $75 in that case. Not sure how Parasound handles Bluetooth, but their integrated is in another league. The big consumer electronics companies like Yamama, Sony, Marantz/Denon are pretty good at bringing things to market with new tech features integrated into one box before the lesser known ones can.
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 205; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Sonic Frontiers Line 3 Preamp; Classe Model 25 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio Power Director; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Parasound JC2BP and A21; Sony 48" 4K TV; Wyred4Sound DAC 2; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,770
    HoundDog wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Don't go with a jack of all trades solution. You will be disapointed. If you can stretch the budget just a bit I think you would be happy with something like this:

    Integrated Amp: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXA80-Amplifier-Black-Refurbished/253276587079?epid=25016280366&hash=item3af8760447:g:tPoAAOSw5PJbCFyC

    and streamer/dac: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-CXNv2-Network-Player-Black-Refurbished/253567720096?hash=item3b09d05aa0:g:gtMAAOSwef9a1hhS

    Both direct from Cambridge. I know the power rating is actually less, but power isn't everything...this is basically a dual mono design and should wipe the floor with that Yamaha...

    Unfortunately the Cambridge does not have bluetooth. When you add the BT-100 dongle it is a receiver only.

    I am not sure what the problem is. You have wifi at your house, right? Does it reach your sunroom? The CXNv2 has wireless connectivity built in, and you use the app to stream whatever you want (spotify, tidal, etc.) or you can cast anything directly from your phone, which is better than bluetooth.

    Is the problem that this is two boxes? You are just not going to get great quality and all the features you want in one box. But if that is the most important thing to you then the Yammie is probably one of your only options...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • HoundDogHoundDog Posts: 5
    @rooftop59 Yes I have wi-fi and can get what I want into the receiver. But, I want to send that to my outdoor bluetooth speakers while playing the same source inside the house at the same time. The Yamaha will do it, the Cambridge can with the addition of the BluOS module. I just don't know if there are other units that can do the same.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,585
    edited August 19
    There are generic Bluetooth gizmos that are inexpensive & readily available. I don't know how well or poorly they work, nor how good or bad they sound... but they're out there.

    https://www.parts-express.com/search.aspx?N=4294967118+4294960914&Nrs=collection()/record[endeca:matches(.,"P_PortalID","1")+and+endeca:matches(.,"P_Searchable","1")]&Ntt=bluetooth*&PortalID=1
  • HoundDogHoundDog Posts: 5
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    There are generic Bluetooth gizmos that are inexpensive & readily available. I don't know how well or poorly they work, nor how good or bad they sound... but they're out there.

    https://www.parts-express.com/search.aspx?N=4294967118+4294960914&Nrs=collection()/record[endeca:matches(.,"P_PortalID","1")+and+endeca:matches(.,"P_Searchable","1")]&Ntt=bluetooth*&PortalID=1

    Yes, I have looked at some of these devices. The simplest transmitters plug into the headphone jack, but this often cuts off the main speaker output. Other devices use RCA or optical for the input, so the receiver/amplifier would need to have that type of output. I have looked at so many I can't remember which do or don't have RCA and/or optical output connections.
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,462
    I had the LSIM 705s on the Yamaha AS801 for a couple years...it was wonderful. Don’t worry about the power rating on that particular amp. It’s no run of the mill AVR.
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  • HoundDogHoundDog Posts: 5
    I had the LSIM 705s on the Yamaha AS801 for a couple years...it was wonderful. Don’t worry about the power rating on that particular amp. It’s no run of the mill AVR.

    Yes, I read your praise of the 801. I just couldn't remember your user name when I mention it in my OP.
  • pawelmwopawelmwo Posts: 79
    edited August 23
    I love my Outlaw 2200 monoblocks I have three. You can buy them used for like $150 each. They are 200 watt at 8ohms and run cool to the touch. Very slim profile. I can push the speakers and never notice any distortion. Which I did on my Denon x4400h before adding the amps. The receiver albeit very expensive still couldn't drive these correctly in a three speaker setup. If your current amp has pre-out an external amp is probably the best solution. Not overly experienced in all the different brands, just my experience with these speakers and a receiver that was on the higher end. You may want to invest in a receiver that can do room correction but get external amps to drive the speakers.
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