hdmi cables.....

French_guy
French_guy Posts: 338
edited March 2019 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
Hello
Can I expect better picture quality with hdmi cables in the $20/$30 range compared to the "basic" stuff that are under $10 like Amazon Basics and the like?
Or it won't make any difference until i pay > $60 for some AudioQuest Cinamon for example?
Looking for some decent hdmi cable (6ft) that brings a plus without breaking the bank...

Thanks
RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
No surround...yet
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    You will probably see/hear an improvement with these:

    https://www.thecableco.com/pearl-hdmi-2-0-cable.html
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    French_guy wrote: »
    Hello
    Can I expect better picture quality with hdmi cables in the $20/$30 range compared to the "basic" stuff that are under $10 like Amazon Basics and the like?
    Or it won't make any difference until i pay > $60 for some AudioQuest Cinamon for example?
    Looking for some decent hdmi cable (6ft) that brings a plus without breaking the bank...

    Thanks
    French_guy wrote: »
    Hello
    Can I expect better picture quality with hdmi cables in the $20/$30 range compared to the "basic" stuff that are under $10 like Amazon Basics and the like?
    Or it won't make any difference until i pay > $60 for some AudioQuest Cinamon for example?
    Looking for some decent hdmi cable (6ft) that brings a plus without breaking the bank...

    Thanks

    Go with the audioquest and don't look back.

    Cables are like shoes in my opinion, not a whole lot of difference in the same price ranges, but when you jump up a decent amount, quality shows it's worth.
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  • B67
    B67 Posts: 4
    Hi,

    I would go with AudioQuest. You will see the difference. I used basic HDMI, but the AudioQuest make really a different.

    Greetz

    Burt
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    +20 on the Audioquest

    Wirelogic at Costco are good and made by Audioquest https://www.costco.com/WireLogic-12-Feet-Sapphire-HDMI-Cable-2-pack.product.100376910.html

    I either have AQ or the wirelogic in my house.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Interesting ......right now, I have these Costco cables between receiver and tv
    Which AQ should I really look for: Pearl, Forest or Cinnamon?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,806
    edited March 2019
    When I wall-mounted my plasma I needed longer cables, I went with the pearl then cinnamon going from Belden Series FE bonded from BJC.

    The belden stuff works fine, but I did notice a slightly cleaner pic going to the Cinnamon when watching Blu Ray.

    We have the Pearl on a 2nd plasma and it's a good cable for the price for sure.

    I got lucky and found two 2M pair of Carbon for $90 each and jumped all over that CL deal, 1080P material is sharp and the audio is clean...those will be staying for awhile.. B)

    @French_guy , what components are connecting? I do agree that you will get an improvement going up the chain. I believe Best Buy has a trade up program within a certain time limit.

    You can also try the lending library from The Cable Company.
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    LG 75" 4k TV to receiver (probably Denon 3400h - need to buy one) to Xbox one S for now but maybe a better 4k player in the future
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,553
    Cinnamon or Chocolate would be my suggestion.
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    The Cable company still has Shunyata Venom HDMI cables on sale. These are extremely close, preformance wise, to AQ Cinnamon HDMI cables.
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    mrloren wrote: »
    +20 on the Audioquest

    Wirelogic at Costco are good and made by Audioquest https://www.costco.com/WireLogic-12-Feet-Sapphire-HDMI-Cable-2-pack.product.100376910.html

    I either have AQ or the wirelogic in my house.

    Are WireLoic Sapphire really made by AQ? Would they be close to the Pearl version then?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x09bUTmMmIs

    @ 13:28 in the video is a wall of AQ products.

    I'd say they are close to pearl
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
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    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Cool, thanks for sharing
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • classic carl
    classic carl Posts: 652
    edited March 2019
    When I first bought my large flat screen TV, I used basic HDMI free cables from the local cable TV provider. I had green, blue, and purple horizontal lines moving up the screen. I then bought Audioquest cables and all was well. You get what you pay for.
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    Home Theater:
    Yamaha RX-V800 ~ Furman Elite-15 DMi ~ Marantz DV6001 ~ EPI M90 ~ Polk Audio RT35i ~ CS400i ~ (2) Polk Audio PSW450
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  • classic carl
    classic carl Posts: 652

    French_guy wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    +20 on the Audioquest

    Wirelogic at Costco are good and made by Audioquest https://www.costco.com/WireLogic-12-Feet-Sapphire-HDMI-Cable-2-pack.product.100376910.html

    I either have AQ or the wirelogic in my house.

    Are WireLoic Sapphire really made by AQ? Would they be close to the Pearl version then?

    Hard to believe they are made by AQ at that price.
    Main System:
    Proton AA-1150 ~ Yamaha C-4 ~ Furman Elite-15 DMi ~ Sennheiser HD600 ~ Monitor Audio Silver RS8 & FB210 ~ Martin Logan Dynamo ~ Teac R-919X ~ Marantz CD5003 ~ Squeezebox Classic ~ Music Hall dac25.2 ~ Dual 1229/Acutex M312 III STR ~ Music Hall mmf-5.1/Goldring 1012GX ~ Music Hall Cruise Control 2.0

    Home Theater:
    Yamaha RX-V800 ~ Furman Elite-15 DMi ~ Marantz DV6001 ~ EPI M90 ~ Polk Audio RT35i ~ CS400i ~ (2) Polk Audio PSW450
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Watch the video at 13 min 30 sec.............WireLogic is visible and he mentions it
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    French_guy wrote: »
    Interesting ......right now, I have these Costco cables between receiver and tv
    Which AQ should I really look for: Pearl, Forest or Cinnamon?
    PM me for some audioquest HDMI cables, I have a few laying around I'm not using and all are 4k HDR Dolby Vision Capable
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    mantis wrote: »
    French_guy wrote: »
    Interesting ......right now, I have these Costco cables between receiver and tv
    Which AQ should I really look for: Pearl, Forest or Cinnamon?
    PM me for some audioquest HDMI cables, I have a few laying around I'm not using and all are 4k HDR Dolby Vision Capable

    PM sent......
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    I'll get back to you tonight
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    @mrloren there's a "Ruby" version of those Wirlogics out there. What's more valuable rubies or saphires?
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    I believe rubies for bright speakers and sapphires to enhance bass. Using both means crappy speakers in general.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    edited March 2019
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @mrloren there's a "Ruby" version of those Wirlogics out there. What's more valuable rubies or saphires?

    No idea what so ever. I only have the saphires for use in the kids rooms. My main HT and Bedroom HT are real AQ brand.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
    Working Warehouse; Yamaha A-S301, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc Plok TSX550T SVS PB2000 Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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  • Jimbo18
    Jimbo18 Posts: 2,335
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I believe rubies for bright speakers and sapphires to enhance bass. Using both means crappy speakers in general.

    I just ordered a pair of the Rubies. Curious if they make any difference. Using SecurOmax right now which seem fine for video, at least.
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  • Wi11Nick
    Wi11Nick Posts: 1
    Amazon Basic cables are just as good as the expensive ones. There is no difference. There is no cable that will give you better picture, that’s absurd if you think about it. Google hdmi cables and you will see their has been numerous comparisons and concluded, no difference.
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  • F1nut
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    I went to a website that sells HDMI cables that cost more than Amazon basic cables, but I don’t use Google as a search engine.

    I saw and heard an improvement using the more expensive cables, in comparison to the less expensive Best Buy cables that I had.

    Maybe using Google to find good cables is the problem, and there really is a difference in the actual cables.
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  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
    Wi11Nick wrote: »
    Amazon Basic cables are just as good as the expensive ones. There is no difference. There is no cable that will give you better picture, that’s absurd if you think about it. Google hdmi cables and you will see their has been numerous comparisons and concluded, no difference.

    What you just said is absurd...if you really think about it. If you don't want to pay for more expensive cables that fine, don't try to lay out some technical argument that studies say there's no difference. Some know better from real life experiences.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,949
    Amazing first post.
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  • BlueBirdMusic
    BlueBirdMusic Posts: 2,304
    edited June 2019
    and last post probably.

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  • ericerik
    ericerik Posts: 53
    i would think there would be solid proof of superior results by using a very expensive cable rather than the cheap. test results?? of actual signal loss of vid/audio quality ,.etc. i can understand that the most expensive names of cables have or should have much tighter and sturdier pins in the plugs , for a nice solid tight connection between devices using thicker better shielding. but is there any such proof of superior results, concrete evidence. ??? or is the differences only subjective ?
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    Audioquest Choclates in the HT rig here. I'm sure the Cinamon would do a good job also.
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