Amp for 5.1 RTIA's

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum but have been a long time stalker. I've been researching an amp for my 2x rti a7s, csi a6, and 2x fxi a6s.
They are being fed currently by my denon avr x4300h, and strictly used for HT movies and tv.
Locally I have options of a
parasound hca 2200ii ~$600
Parasound HCA 1205a ~$400
Sunfire cinema grand 200x5 ~$400
I feel like there are a few others but not fresh in my memory.
One question I have been trying to find an answer to with no luck - is it better to get a better quality 2ch amp and let the avr run my center and surrounds? Or get a 5 ch amp that may not be as good quality as the 2 channel amp?

Also I am open to other ideas for amps in the phx(mesa) az area
Thanks
Bgoodfella
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  • I forgot to add, I can get a parasound 2205 shipped from vegas ~800+shipping
  • Rotel rb 991 for roughly 300
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,005
    Don't forget NAD, several there too.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,601
    I would go with all 5 speakers if you can.

    Used the Sunfire is good, a fellow member has one and loves it
    An Emotiva XPA-5 would also work well. I've read RTi and Emo to go well. I had a gen 1 for a weekend on my RTi's and it sounded great. My current XPA-3 sounds awesome on my Signatures.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,245
    Are you running a quality sub?
    HT/Main- Panny 50" G10 Plasma, Pioneer SC-1222k AVR, Panny DMP-BD60 BDP, Polk LS90 mains, CS350LS center, LS/fx side surrounds, LS50 surround backs, SVS 25-31PC+ sub, Harmony One

    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,148
    edited November 14
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.
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    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
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    Cabling: Wireworld
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,667
    DSkip wrote: »
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.

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  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,808
    Since HT is your thing, adding external amplification to at least the front three speakers should be your goal, since the center channel is usually said to be most important in HT. The Parasounds always get good reviews here.

    (Not to spark an Emo debate, but I used to use Emotiva amps with my RTi HT setup and wasn't pleased with the overall result. Not entirely horrible, but the combination seemed inherently bright.)
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • Are you running a quality sub?

    Not currently, I have a polk psw 5xx i forget if it's a 550 or 505 or whatever but something along those lines - i do plan to get either an svs pb2k or Hsu mk3 or something along those lines when one comes along

  • DSkip wrote: »
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.

    The guy with the 1205 said
    "The only thing is that each channel has an attenuator for adjustment on the back and they are scratchy when you adjust them. They could use some Deoxit."
    When I asked if anything was wrong with it. Do you guys have any idea what he is talking about? I sure don't. Still new to the amplifier thing.
  • FestYboy wrote: »
    Don't forget NAD, several there too.

    Locally I see 2x nad 2200 amps, roughly 200 each, and down in Tucson i see a 2600. What's the thoughts there
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,062
    The Sunfire will make your speakers very happy. I should know I have one! :)
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,607
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.

    The guy with the 1205 said
    "The only thing is that each channel has an attenuator for adjustment on the back and they are scratchy when you adjust them. They could use some Deoxit."
    When I asked if anything was wrong with it. Do you guys have any idea what he is talking about? I sure don't. Still new to the amplifier thing.

    Each channel has a level adjustment. (Black knobs along the top.) Deoxit is a spray that cleans the contacts in these controls.

    ihy91b5i0xj5.jpg
  • Viking64 wrote: »
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.

    The guy with the 1205 said
    "The only thing is that each channel has an attenuator for adjustment on the back and they are scratchy when you adjust them. They could use some Deoxit."
    When I asked if anything was wrong with it. Do you guys have any idea what he is talking about? I sure don't. Still new to the amplifier thing.

    Each channel has a level adjustment. (Black knobs along the top.) Deoxit is a spray that cleans the contacts in these controls.

    ihy91b5i0xj5.jpg

    Is that something which should cause me any concern?
  • cfrizz wrote: »
    The Sunfire will make your speakers very happy. I should know I have one! :)

    What speakers are you using with the sunfire?
  • Another question I've wondered about, I keep reading about amplifiers and musicality... is that much of a concern for a 99.9999% HT use? Or do I need mainly strong current to feed these speakers?
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,607
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    Is that something which should cause me any concern?

    I wouldn't think so. It should be perfectly normal in a used component. I would imagine some people use it as a preventative measure also. Perhaps someone else might chime in as to whether this raises other concerns of which I am unaware.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,589
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    I'd go with either of those Parasound five channel amps.

    The guy with the 1205 said
    "The only thing is that each channel has an attenuator for adjustment on the back and they are scratchy when you adjust them. They could use some Deoxit."
    When I asked if anything was wrong with it. Do you guys have any idea what he is talking about? I sure don't. Still new to the amplifier thing.

    Each channel has a level adjustment. (Black knobs along the top.) Deoxit is a spray that cleans the contacts in these controls.

    ihy91b5i0xj5.jpg

    Is that something which should cause me any concern?

    No turn them all the way up and forget about them.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,808
    Bgoodfella wrote: »
    Another question I've wondered about, I keep reading about amplifiers and musicality... is that much of a concern for a 99.9999% HT use? Or do I need mainly strong current to feed these speakers?
    No and yes, in that order, for the most part. You'd be hard pressed to discern the characteristics of an amp with most HT content. High current will give you better dynamics, which is what you should be after.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    Guy in my neck of the woods has a Parasound 2505 for 500 bucks, a bit less than the 800 your looking at.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • ok so now the question that i am having is ...
    does the parasound 2205 sound two times better than the 1205, to justify twice the price, or $400 more?
    and on the other hand, is the power of the sunfire cinema grand better than the power of the parasound 1205? is there much discernable sound between the two of them?
    part of me was contemplating holding out for a cinema grand signature or a theater grand to get the 400x5, but i am not seeing any listed and ive been looking for a couple of months locally.
  • tonyb wrote: »
    Guy in my neck of the woods has a Parasound 2505 for 500 bucks, a bit less than the 800 your looking at.

    ooh that is intriguing, where is that neck of the woods?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    You don't need that much power. The 2205 is a 5 channel amp, the 1205 is a 2 channel amp, hence the difference in price. Sunfire sig is 400watts per channel, you don't need that kind of power.

    Either the Sunfire Cinema , or 2 channel Parasound HCA 1200 would do just fine and let the receiver power the surrounds and center. In my opinion, the Parasound is a better match with the speakers you have.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • i could be wrong, but im seeing 5 channels on the listing for the 1205a.

    If i go 5 channel, would i be better served bi-wiring the A7's, and single channel to the CSIA6 // or just running a single channel to each of the 5 speakers?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    edited November 14
    My mistake, I was thinking the 1200, instead of the 1205. Just run a single channel to all 5 speakers if you go that route. It's more than enough for those speakers. Your not going to use all that power anyway with those speakers.

    Keep in mind the extra costs too for RCA cables to hook up all 5 channels. Buy decent ones, don't use those red and white cables that may have come with an old DVD player.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • Thank you for the heads up, what brands are considered decent / good enough? I'm not necessarily even close to audiophile by any means so i dont need any 24kt gold cables or anything crazy like that haha
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,196
    Signal cable analog 2, he'll give ya a discount if you tell him your a member here. Bluejeans cables is another, and our own Douglas connections, of which he's a member here.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • well, the HCA 1205 is no longer available, i missed out on that one... it now seems like it is boiling down to the sunfire cinema grand 5 x 200 or the Parasound HCA2205a from vegas at nearly double the price+shipping... im thinking the sunfire is probably the better bet, or is the parasound close to twice as good - to justify paying that much more for it?
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,601
    SVS make a good RCA cable too. I could not find a bad review on them at all.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 3,788
    I believe I once had the Sunfire you're considering and a nice thing about it is that it runs very cool. My current Parasound 1205a gets pretty warm. Might be something to think about if it's going to be in a cabinet.

    I never owned the amps at the same time, so I can't give a side by side comparison, but my recollection is that they are pretty similar.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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