AVR and integrated amp use same remote codes
mdaudioguy
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The one thing that's preventing me from true integration of my hybrid 2-channel/5.1 HT system is the fact that my integrated amp and AVR - both Marantz - both respond to either remote . For HT, I need both on, but for music, I just need the integrated.
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Does your Marantz AVR of have the option of changing the remote code? I know my Pioneers had the option for this specific problem. it was buried in the setup menu.2 Channel
Pre:Bryston BP173
Amp:Bryston 14B3
Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Reference
Source: Oppo UDP-205, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3, Bryston BCD-3, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
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Oooor, you could get up out yet chair and press the button on the face...
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Does your Marantz AVR of have the option of changing the remote code? I know my Pioneers had the option for this specific problem. it was buried in the setup menu.
No. I've been through both manuals and even contacted Marantz. Their answer:
Unfortunately, the Power commands for both the receiver and the PM are the same. To get independent power control, you would have to block (cover) the front IR Sensor on one of the units and then use an external IR extender going into the IR Flasher port.
I'm not sure how that's going to change anything, if the commands are the same. -
Wait, you can do that? Novel idea!Oooor, you could get up out yet chair and press the button on the face... -
Which Marantz units?
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Oooor, you could get up out yet chair and press the button on the face...Oooor, you could get up out yet chair and press the button on the face...
LOL, was thinking the same thing.....HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Well, of course, so was I! I mean, I do make do. If your aim is just right, you can hit one box with IR, while missing the other one a mere foot away - that's only for expert remote operators, however! I try to explain this to friends and family, but they just look at me like I'm crazy. At least, I think that's why... -
Y’all clearly don’t have young children lol. I think this is his hybrid setup, which likely means other family members need to be able to control it...and getting everything to the right input is not as simple as pushing a button ya numbskulls
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^^^ Bingo! Which is better, 6 remotes or 1? I just want to make things simpler for the lay folk.
It's funny, I liked the idea of using the same brand for electronics (AVR, amp, and DAC), but I wouldn't have this issue if I went with different brands. -
I would just use the HDMI ARC feature and control the Marantz from the TV controller. However that's in a perfect world and you still have to use two remotes ha. Best of luck finding something that works!Just a dude doing dude-ly things
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HT/TV control is pretty much ok, as I need both the AVR and amp on and the Harmony remote handles all that just fine.
I've discovered the ability to switch the amp between Power Amp Direct mode and normal integrated mode with the Harmony remote. Marantz said this could not be done, and their remote won't do it! However, my Harmony remote doesn't have enough customization ability to create a single-button activity for music listening. -
The Harmony Hub would let you send IR signals to various IR blasters by device so you could send the AVR IR to only the AVR and the PM-14S1 IR commands to it.
Plus you don't have to train people to keep pointing the remote until the commands finish and you can run things from a phone or tablet.
What I don't know is if you can directly feed the IR blaster signal into either Marantz via they IR blaster inputs. -
Y’all clearly don’t have young children lol. I think this is his hybrid setup, which likely means other family members need to be able to control it...and getting everything to the right input is not as simple as pushing a button ya numbskulls
Actually, we do, and the ones that don't have wives that get confused if asked to push more than 2 buttons. Some of us may even do it on purpose, to keep the kids away from messing with our gear.
Nature of the beast when you have a combined HT/2channel. Want to make it easy as pie ? Simplify your system, it isn't hard.
Buy one higher end HT processor, which most are pretty good for 2 channel also.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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To be clear, while my wife might not be certified for advanced remote operation, I'm pretty sure she's good up to about 7 clicks. After that, everybody in the room should duck!!
Y’all clearly don’t have young children lol. I think this is his hybrid setup, which likely means other family members need to be able to control it...and getting everything to the right input is not as simple as pushing a button ya numbskulls
Actually, we do, and the ones that don't have wives that get confused if asked to push more than 2 buttons.
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I asked Marantz to explain how to implement their suggested solution of blocking the IR port and using an external IR extender, since the commands should be the same whether extended or not.
Their response:
I do not see a way to do so besides covering the ir sensor. There are not different.
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I will find a solution to this first world problem!
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Did you look at RC Lock function in the manual? The wording is twisted but looking at the Service Manual for the NR1608 it looks like it disables the internal IR receiver while still accepting remote commands from the external input.
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I've heard of First World Problems -- this one's a 21st Century Problem.
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Thanks for the suggestion. It's a no go, as is, but I think a Harmony Hub will be the solution, since it should allow me to separately control these devices.
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I FINALLY have a solution. Bought a (refurbished) Harmony 950 remote and hub. It took a considerable amount of time to get it right, but I'm finally there. I connected 1 port on the hub directly to the IR Flasher input on the Marantz receiver (ever shop for a 2.5mm to 3.5mm mono cable??). The default Power On and Off functions had to be reprogrammed to properly control the Marantz integrated - ironically, using another Harmony remote, since the Marantz remote will not toggle Power Amp Direct on and off. Marantz didn't think things through when programming this integrated remote, however, Harmony gave me the ability to customize, and everything works great!
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Congratulations you finally got it straightened out!2 Channel
Pre:Bryston BP173
Amp:Bryston 14B3
Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Reference
Source: Oppo UDP-205, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3, Bryston BCD-3, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
Cables: Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 Speaker, Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 XLR, AQ Diamond USB/HDMI
Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
Display: Sony XBR65Z9F
Home Theater
Pre: Anthem AVM90
Amps: Parasound A31, A51x2
Speakers: Polk LSiM 707 (FL/FR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), LSiM 703 (SL/SR/SBL/SBR), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
Subwoofers: SVS SB16 x 4
Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
Cables: AQ Meteor/Rocket 88, AQ Niagara/Sky
Power: Torus AVR20, Shunyata Denali, Shunyata Delta, Cullen, PangeaAC9SE Cables
Display: Sony XBR85Z9G -
mdaudioguy wrote: »HT/TV control is pretty much ok, as I need both the AVR and amp on and the Harmony remote handles all that just fine.
I've discovered the ability to switch the amp between Power Amp Direct mode and normal integrated mode with the Harmony remote. Marantz said this could not be done, and their remote won't do it! However, my Harmony remote doesn't have enough customization ability to create a single-button activity for music listening.
I saw your post after so many years. I own marantz PM12SE. The remote cannot switch between power amp mode and integrated mode, which is annoying. I have harmony hub but not sure how you solve it. Can you tell me more details? -
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mdaudioguy wrote: »HT/TV control is pretty much ok, as I need both the AVR and amp on and the Harmony remote handles all that just fine.
I've discovered the ability to switch the amp between Power Amp Direct mode and normal integrated mode with the Harmony remote. Marantz said this could not be done, and their remote won't do it! However, my Harmony remote doesn't have enough customization ability to create a single-button activity for music listening.
I saw your post after so many years. I own marantz PM12SE. The remote cannot switch between power amp mode and integrated mode, which is annoying. I have harmony hub but not sure how you solve it. Can you tell me more details?
Hello friend! I registered just to let you know I had the exact same problem.
The only clue I could find was those posts from mdaudioguy who said he figured it out, but didn't explain the process.
I managed to make my PM8006 switch to Power Amp Direct mode via remote! I believe it will work for your PM12SE as well.
Here's the process—you’ll need a Harmony hub and remote (though other Harmony devices may work too; I tested on an older Harmony 525, and it also works).
When I discovered that Marantz devices share IR codes, here’s the workaround I found: instead of adding your Marantz PM8006 (or any similar model that requires holding a button for 3 seconds to switch to Power Amp Direct) to your Harmony device list, add it as the Marantz model PM-10. Why? Because by selecting this advanced PM-10, you get access to two useful commands: “DirectInOn” and “DirectInOff.” This lets you switch to Power Amp Direct mode instantly with no need to hold down the button!
For the second issue I had, where both my SR6013 and PM8006 were receiving the same commands, the solution was also straightforward. The Harmony hub has two mini IR blasters connected to ports on its back. In the Harmony hub settings, go to “Hub Assignments” and assign each device to a different IR mini blaster (e.g., set one device to mini blaster port 1 and the other to mini blaster port 2). Then, simply position each mini blaster so it only reaches the intended device. If it doesn’t work right away, try unplugging the Harmony hub and reconnecting it.
Hopefully, this helps anyone facing a similar situation!
