Rx-a870 or SR5012

French_guy
French_guy Posts: 338
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My setup is RTia5 and CSia4....no surround yet, but it will come soon
Is there any major difference between Yamaha rx-a870 and Marantz sr5012? I like the price of the Yamaha on A4L....but can pay a little more if the Marantz is really better
Application is 90% movies/console games
RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
No surround...yet
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    I have owned and really like both brands, but the Yamaha's don't really hit their stride until the 10XX series, and the marantz is a bit warmer which will pair better with the brightish RTiAs. Plus, the audessey calibration in the Marantz is FAR superior to the YPAO in the yamaha.

    If it was 1060 vs. 5012 it would be much closer, but I would still vote marantz for the same two reasons...
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    ^^^
    Agree!
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    #metoo
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    Ditto, although I think you'd be happy with either. Just more happy with the Marantz.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    I have two SR5010 and like them. These do come with Audyssey XT which can be a pain sometime to setup. XT32 is great, For the money Marantz should have put Audyssey XT32 on.

    I'd also look at Denon AVR-X3300W or AVR-X3400X, both are in your price range and come with Audyssey XT32. The guy I sold my RTi8/RTi4/CSI5 to has the 3300W and loves it.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
    Working Warehouse; Yamaha A-S301, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc Plok TSX550T SVS PB2000 Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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  • firsttimer
    firsttimer Posts: 87
    Love my Denon AVR-X3300W. Calibration with XT32 works great as well. Highly recommend the Denon
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    edited June 2018
    OK, so good options are Marantz SR5012 and Denon X3300W, but the Denon doesn't have Dolby vision. Is this a deal breaker?
    Also, what's the difference between W series and H series in Denon's world? Is Denon X3400H a good option as well ($100 more than X3300W, but support Dolby vision)
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    The H indicates support for Denon's HEOS, a pretty decent streaming solution that can be expanded thought your home. Otherwise, similar. 3300 is 2016, 3400 is 2017. No 3500 yet, but it can probably be predicted.
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Is 3300w Dolby vision capable?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    French_guy wrote: »
    Is 3300w Dolby vision capable?

    Yes, after a firmware update.
    https://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6287/~/dolby-vision-/-hlg-updates-for-av-receivers
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    Two things that bother me about my Marantz SR5010.

    1. Audyssey XT. This calibration program SUCKS! The SR50XX cost more than the Denon 3 series but come with a sub par calibration program. I've setup a few AVR with XT32 and wow so much better and easy, no tweaking required.
    2. That darn small porthole display. Unless the TV is on there is no way to see it from more than 5' away.

    On the plus side the SR5010 once dialed in is awesome.

    Knowing what I know now I would have gotten the Denon or a SR60XX with Audyssey XT32
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
    Working Warehouse; Yamaha A-S301, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc Plok TSX550T SVS PB2000 Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    I also really like denons. I owned a 23XX something or other and it was pretty sweet, and my current AVR-X4200w is awesome, so if the 30XX series has better calibration, I say go for it...
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Ok, so I have to decide between the X3300W ($500 + shipping) or the X3400H ($600 with free shipping)......
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    French_guy wrote: »
    Ok, so I have to decide between the X3300W ($500 + shipping) or the X3400H ($600 with free shipping)......

    Well if it’s less than $100, at that price I would go for the newest...
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • firsttimer
    firsttimer Posts: 87
    Both of those are Dolby vision capable. I would agree for an extra 100 dollars get the newest. I came from Sony to the Denon and love the Denom
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    Get the 3400. HEOS is a nice option if that interests you. Download the HEOS app to see what it does.
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    For all of you who have already shopped at A4L, should I consider taking the extended warranty (2, 3 or 5 years)?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    I personally would buy a square trade warranty as I have had good experience with them. But others experience may be different...
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I personally would buy a square trade warranty as I have had good experience with them. But others experience may be different...

    which is not the one offered by A4L, right?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    If you have a Fry's near by they have the X3400H for $599. You will need to sign up for their email spam promo code.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
    Working Warehouse; Yamaha A-S301, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc Plok TSX550T SVS PB2000 Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    New?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    yes but in store only and you will need the promo code.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
    Working Warehouse; Yamaha A-S301, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc Plok TSX550T SVS PB2000 Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    I don't think there is one close to where I live unfortunately (Michigan)......
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,108
    French_guy wrote: »
    I don't think there is one close to where I live unfortunately (Michigan)......

    Arizona, California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Nevada, Oregon, Texas, Washington.

    https://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator?site=csfooter_H
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Well, if I were to take one, I will most likely go with the one from A4L then....
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Arghhh................I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the X3400H, but I just found out it might be too deep for my cabinet. My current receiver not working anymore, I went to Costco and got a TSR-7810 "to wait", and this one is 14"-7/8. It's already a tight fit. And the Denon is deeper than that (15" 3/8) !!!!!
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    Marantz NR series...slimline. It’ll fit and sounds great to boot
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    Is it powerful enough for my speakers, and HT application?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    Yes. Your speakers are pretty easy to drive:
    https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marnr1607/marantz-nr1607-slim-7.2-ch-x-50-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room 5.1.4:     Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology Power Monitor 900 mains, CLR-3000 center, StudioMonitor 350 surrounds, ProMonitor 800 atmos x4; Sub - Monoprice Monolith 15in THX Ultra
    Bedroom 2.1     Harmon Kardon HK3490; Bluesounds Node N130; Polk RT25i; ACI Titan Subwoofer
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  • French_guy
    French_guy Posts: 338
    NR1607 or NR1608?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4 + Jamo SW410E
    Yamaha TSR-700 (equivalent to RX V6A)
    No surround...yet
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