In love with capacitor coupled output sound

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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    Here are a couple more pics...
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    edited March 2018
    I am approaching the end of the project. This 1060 phono preamp sounded phenomenal even with the old caps.

    I started to replace the resistors and electrolytic, the plan is to replace it all.
    As on the other boards the original films and polystyrene capacitors will stay, no need to replace those.

    The original green Nissei films are good sounding and the polystyrene capacitors last forever, have low distortion and 1% tolerances.

    The transistors 2SC458 become noise with age, it’s recommended to replace it with KSC1846 type. I have to do this latter, I need a transistor tester to be able to match transistors gain for left and right channel

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    Progress photo:
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,894
    Lots of hard work -- maybe you should fabricate a couple of Plexiglass tops to show it off! :)
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    edited March 2018
    Thank you mhardy6647! I find these vintage circuits very aesthetically pleasing.

    Walnut case Vs acrylic case? ....
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    edited March 2018
    All of this electronical talk is sexy, especially the "soiled state" stuff
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    afterburnt wrote: »
    All of this electronical talk is sexy, especially the "soiled state" stuff

    there’s more than 100 hours on it, sounds so good!!! I can’t believe it is coming from this little amp...

    It would be fun to do a blind test and AB it with a higher end piece... :)
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,553
    Very nice i bet it sounds great
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    edited March 2018
    One upgrade that is worth mentioning, Marantz had implemented this mod on later unit.

    To protect output transistors, a pair of diodes (UF4004) per were installed on the back of each power amplifier to function as flyback diodes for the output stage of each channel.
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    I consider this project successful, thanks to all the mentors at AK Marantz forum for their invaluable source of knowledge and kindness!

    These little amps totally deserve restoration, it’s a great piece. The service manual can be downloaded at Hi-Fi Engine, It has the schematic dwg, full part list broken down by type and locations, also the board layouts which was very helpfull to plan the work.

    The transistors have modern substitutions. It’s highly recommended to replace all 2SC458 transistors with KSC1845. Also, power supply H801 can be replaced with KSC2383YTA. There are a couple on the phono board.

    These are some equivalent transistors:
    H001-H004, 2SD217 On Semi
    H705-706, 2SC371Y = BCS47
    H707-706, 2SA562Y = BC221 or B327
    H709-710, 2SC959 = 2N3440CS
    H711-7712, 2SA606 = 2N5415 or 2N5616

    I read that there’s eight 2SC1000 transistors on the preamp that can be replaced with 2SC1815 in case originals become noisy. It’s also recommended to upgrade diodes H802 and H803 with a fast soft recovery UF4005. There are another 2 diodes on the power amp that should replaced.

    The amp plays several hours daily since rebuilt. It is difficult to turn it off. I understood the importance of “burning in time”, there was noticeable changes throughout the process.

    It superseded all my expectations, sounds much better than the original without loosing its identity.

    There is a sense of joy and accomplishment when I listen music through it. I don’t know what else to say without using the usual cheese adjectives :)

    I never heard the original unit when new, but I like to believe that this one maybe sounding close to what it sounded when new.

    I have been considering increasing the scope and maybe replace RCA jacks, speaker terminal and the skinny old power cord.?!

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  • JayMX
    JayMX Posts: 446
    edited June 2020
    I’ve got my hands into a 1060 right now and this thread is really inspirational! Thank you @cortico for carefully documenting your journey. Will be referencing this as I go along! Now to order some transistors. 😎
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    Current Collection: Monitor 4a (Peerless), Monitor 5B (Peerless), Modified Monitor 7b (Peerless), RTA15TL (SL3000), SDA CRS+ (194’s), SDA SRS 2.3TL, R100's, R200’s, R300 🤩
    Pairs that have passed through: Monitor 4b (Peerless), Monitor 5a (Peerless), Monitor 5b (SL1000), Monitor 5b (SL2000) (4x pair), Monitor 7b (Peerless), Modified Monitor 7c’s (194’s), Monitor 10a (Peerless), Monitor 10b (5x pair), RTA8, RTA8TL, RTA 11T, RTA12c (194's), SDA CRS, SDA 2 (2x pair), SDA 2a, SDA 2b, SDA 1b, SDA 1c, SDA SRS 2 (2x pair), SDA SRS 3.1TL (198’s) (2x pair)...and more to come, it’s a sickness.
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  • BlueBirdMusic
    BlueBirdMusic Posts: 2,304
    msg wrote: »
    Those caps look like people standing in different positions. Some even have pants on. Clamdiggers, I think. One or two are bursting for the toilet. Fourth across the top row's caught my eye. I think I'll ask her out...

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    Never saw see this thread until @JayMX brought it back to the top. Very interesting and detailed!!

    @msg, you really displayed some creative and humorous thinking in the post above.
    "Sometimes you have to look to the past to understand where you are going in the future"

    Anger is just anger. It isn’t good. It isn’t bad. It just is. What you do with it is what matters.
    You can use it to build or to destroy. You just have to make the choice.     Jim Butcher




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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,894
    BlueBirdMusic wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    Those caps look like people standing in different positions. Some even have pants on. Clamdiggers, I think. One or two are bursting for the toilet. Fourth across the top row's caught my eye. I think I'll ask her out...

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    Never saw see this thread until @JayMX brought it back to the top. Very interesting and detailed!!

    @msg, you really displayed some creative and humorous thinking in the post above.

    Do not couple with capacitors, old son! It is unnatural and deviant.

    B)
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    Great thread.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • JayMX
    JayMX Posts: 446
    Just a little follow up thread-crashing, I got her working last night. Four resistors were the culprits. Did a full replacement of electrolitycs on the PS and power amp, replaced a few transistors, will do the pre and phono boards as well. Then a little spit and polish and she'll be good as new! Fun!
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    Current Collection: Monitor 4a (Peerless), Monitor 5B (Peerless), Modified Monitor 7b (Peerless), RTA15TL (SL3000), SDA CRS+ (194’s), SDA SRS 2.3TL, R100's, R200’s, R300 🤩
    Pairs that have passed through: Monitor 4b (Peerless), Monitor 5a (Peerless), Monitor 5b (SL1000), Monitor 5b (SL2000) (4x pair), Monitor 7b (Peerless), Modified Monitor 7c’s (194’s), Monitor 10a (Peerless), Monitor 10b (5x pair), RTA8, RTA8TL, RTA 11T, RTA12c (194's), SDA CRS, SDA 2 (2x pair), SDA 2a, SDA 2b, SDA 1b, SDA 1c, SDA SRS 2 (2x pair), SDA SRS 3.1TL (198’s) (2x pair)...and more to come, it’s a sickness.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    Looks great man. Love the look of the Gold Tune caps. I wish I had your level of diy!
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,000
    Tharsgoldinthemtharamps!

    Translation....great job.
    Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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  • cortico
    cortico Posts: 587
    Great work! those Nichicon Gold Tune are great caps,. these amps are really fun and easy to work on. I recapped a few of them for me and friends B)
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