Another Cap question

xschop
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Anyone know the 3 different designations for these capacitors?
LL, ST, and DEW are listed in the service manual for an Onkyo I will resto-mod this winter project.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,494
    LL should be electrolytic

    ST should be mica

    DEW should be metalized mylar
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  • xschop
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    Ok. Thanks for the fast reply F1. Do I need to change the ST's and DEW's with same type or is there an upgrade?
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  • F1nut
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    In reality, you shouldn't need to change the silver mica or mylar as they don't go bad.
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    Thanks F1, I appreciate your insight and input as always.
    I took a peak inside and see about half the amount of electrolytics. Half the Mouser bill right hehe...


    This should indicate common ground correct?

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    I drilled the factory thread rivets out and installed the new gold posts. I like the fact they stand out a little further...

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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    Onkyo A-8017 is the model. I cant find any info mentioning common ground. Anyone know for sure? I thought I read somewhere about shared speaker grounds between Speakers A and B were considered common ground?

    The factory control knobs are machined aluminum then anodized...Then de-anodized by yours truly....
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,411
    Receivers are common ground
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  • xschop
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    I understand the receiver rule, but this one does not have a tuner. It says INTEGRA on it.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,411
    Onkyo's upper line. 99.999999999% feel common ground.
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    Silver Mica caps are exceptional for Audio. Don't change them
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  • delkal
    delkal Posts: 764
    xschop wrote: »

    This should indicate common ground correct?

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    With both black posts connected it is definitely common ground.

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  • xschop
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    Thanks for confirming WMG. I just want to get everything ordered in one fell swoop. Santa's getting an early list this year, because in reality, Mouser will deliver by Christmas '18.

    In the first pic, the factory lead wires to terminals are a single wire between 20-22 guage and under magnifying glass looks like solid silver, but hard to tell at the clipped end. Question is, is it worth change to 18g multistrand OFC?
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  • pitdogg2
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    Me if i was to change it I'd stay solid NOT multistranded.
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    Thought I would ask since I have all colors on hand and it just seems odd that that small solid wire will be feeding 12g speaker cables.

    Can someone also confirm the process of DC offset check. After controls all set to ZERO, are the DMM leads at speaker terminals with speaker selector switch on or off?
    The Audiokarma site is vague about this.
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  • K_M
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    xschop wrote: »
    Thought I would ask since I have all colors on hand and it just seems odd that that small solid wire will be feeding 12g speaker cables.

    Can someone also confirm the process of DC offset check. After controls all set to ZERO, are the DMM leads at speaker terminals with speaker selector switch on or off?
    The Audiokarma site is vague about this.

    Speaker selector "on". Otherwise it would be measuring nothing.

    https://www.wikihow.com/Measure-DC-Offset

    This explains it fairly well. But if you need to adjust it is more tedious.
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  • F1nut
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    xschop wrote: »
    Thanks for confirming WMG. I just want to get everything ordered in one fell swoop. Santa's getting an early list this year, because in reality, Mouser will deliver by Christmas '18.

    In the first pic, the factory lead wires to terminals are a single wire between 20-22 guage and under magnifying glass looks like solid silver, but hard to tell at the clipped end. Question is, is it worth change to 18g multistrand OFC?

    Mouser doesn't sell better quality caps, etc.
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    Santa has an account at Mouser and he likes Nichicon FG's. The gold-tone goes great with his sleigh and fills stockings lol.
    These have all factory Nichicon SE-M marked on them. the large ones are 15,000uf.
    I thought I was taking the reading wrong because I get 0.9mV on left channel and 2.0mV on right.... Not bad
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  • pitdogg2
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    I've used the Nichicon fine golds where i couldn't get the kg muse. Elna Silmic II's are others i like
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    Ok. Ill check KG's too. IIRC that's what I had to go with on the Akai Main caps' 10000uf size.

    I like these Japanese units as far as ease of assembly and board locations.
    I tested the lamp leads at 16V DC so I ordered all red 24v LED 5mms...

    Decisions....
    The lettering does not appear to be countersunk like the Kenwood I recently did. So I'm thinking black face with brushed controls, large brushed feet and 1" thick brushed side panels...
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    Since the panel has nicks on sides, I'lll remove the glued on plastic side molds and mill off the alloy to match the factory case width....
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  • xschop
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    The heat sink was easy to remove. 16 screws and it lifted right out. I cleaned fins and back sides of large transistors then applied fresh thermal paste....

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  • xschop
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    These LEDs showed early. Another nice surprise that the factory grommets will hold them....

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  • oldschlpolkie
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    Nice! I’m a big fan of the Integra stuff I have M504, M5060 amps, and DTR-7.1 receiver currently being used as a preamp.
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  • oldschlpolkie
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    By the way I really liked the Kenwood receiver you did as well. I had the same model but gave it to my in laws.
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    For the brief listening session I had before tear down, this one puts out a nicely balanced sound signature throughout the range.

    The LED install was a bit tedious but a success. I went ahead and ordered new mil spec grommets because a couple of these old holders were a crumble fest....

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    Last question for the elctro-gurus....
    The speaker selector switch eyelets can allow for an extra 18g wire to be installed alongside the factory 20g single wire. Would this be an OK modification/addition?

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  • gp4jesus
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Receivers are common ground
    Use a meter to verify, not opinions. The agony, other wise isn't worth it.

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    edited November 2017
    xschop wrote: »
    In the first pic, the factory lead wires to terminals are a single wire between 20-22 guage and under magnifying glass looks like solid silver, but hard to tell at the clipped end. Question is, is it worth changing to 18g multistrand OFC?
    if it delivers power that ultimately feeds your speakers, use the biggest & the type you find practical. Your bass response will thank you.

    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out 8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out *soldered LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & “Plugged*” Mids - 981, connected w/MP Premiere ICs Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s *Xschop's handy work
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  • xschop
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    edited November 2017
    That worked out nicely....

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    I Reflowed all connections with Cardas Quad while I was in there. L&R A,B speaks' positive are White Blue Red Yellow from the switch. While their feed(green &brown) and grounds (black & grey) come from the relay which was easy to solder around....

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  • xschop
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    Has anybody come up with a touch-up marker/paint for the black face receivers?
    Under bright lights the color seems to be dark charcoal.
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  • F1nut
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    Not to my knowledge. Black markers always have too much blue in them.
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  • Viking64
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    Maybe matte black nail polish?
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    Maybe matte black nail polish?

    Maybe you can send him one of your partial bottles to try it out???
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