What is a "Musical" system to you?

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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,759
    Whatever gets my toes a tapping. Whether it be my 2 channel ,HT, car stereo or iPod.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,285
    ken brydson wrote: »
    Whatever gets my toes a tapping. Whether it be my 2 channel ,HT, car stereo or iPod.

    Yeah, but you know when you in that groove, and goosebumps just happen
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  • soundfreak1
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    Hmmmmm bacon and brownies,..... hold on a moment (the sound of suckling on the pipe) ya bacon and brownies I try that!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    msg wrote: »
    I'm noticing it's not uncommon for feet to be in a lot of hifi gear photos I see. Someone's gonna do a hifi audio calendar or coffee table photo book someday - HiFi and Feet. It's gonna have bare feet, socked feet, dirty socks, holey socks, and at least one sack getting blown back.

    A whole thread devoted to that.

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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,285
    edited July 2017
    BlueFox wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    I'm noticing it's not uncommon for feet to be in a lot of hifi gear photos I see. Someone's gonna do a hifi audio calendar or coffee table photo book someday - HiFi and Feet. It's gonna have bare feet, socked feet, dirty socks, holey socks, and at least one sack getting blown back.

    A whole thread devoted to that.

    http://www.audioshark.org/general-audio-discussion-15/chilling-my-sound-system-11684-page5.html

    The agony of de'feet :s:s:s

    https://youtu.be/P2AZH4FeGsc
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,416
    edited July 2017
    Fired up the big boys tonight and it occurred to me that my audio journey is at it's end when it comes to gear. Unless and if Polk comes out with a new SDA line, I am done.

    I have thought about replacing the 1.2TL's for a while now, but tonight they reminded me of why I keep them. While other speakers sound very good and in some ways better, none can match the majestic power and soundstage of these speakers. They can in one moment sound as delicate as the gossamer wings of a butterfly or as soaring and powerful as eagles on the hunt. They can attack a note with supreme authority or just let it go as the wind carries away a cottonwood seed.

    My ears want for nothing. That my friends, is musical.
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,124
    edited July 2017

    I have my own definition, I'm quite sure you have your own. Russ (Lightman1) has his own warped, drug filled, Tibetan monk, sheep loving description as well. Nobody is wrong, everybody has their own description of what is "musical" when it comes to a system's reproductive efforts.

    Here is the question;

    Please accept my apologies in advance Mods. I know full well that this is a controversial subject and that folks may end up being banned over this topic. (Hint, hint, Russ...hehe)


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  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 2,506
    I will probably be labeled a heretic for this, but here goes:

    Haveing been to many "live" music events, from concerts, symphonies, night clubs, and even twice to a recording studio, about the last thing I want from my system is the replication of "live" sound. In my experience, the cool part of live music is the EXPERIENCE, not the sound quality. In fact, the actual sound quality is often quite lacking - I have never been to a concert that sounds better than a quality 2ch rig, but if you want to replicate that sound, it's easy enough to do with DSP. Same for a night club, or even a symphony...

    What I strive for, is the accurate reproduction of the sound straight out of the mixing board, in a studio session - but in reality, it's hard to know what THAT sounds like anyway - so I guess it just comes down to a simple question - does it make you want to listen more...?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Personally, I could never answer this question. I just love to listen to music, and the better it sounds then the more I love it. I guess I just want a noise free, distortion free, experience that makes me feel good, and the better it sounds then the better I feel.

    Case in point was last Friday afternoon when I installed two Denali 2000 power conditioners, one for each amp. These made such an improvement that the music gave me energy and I was up until 9 PM Saturday night listening to it.

    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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  • dannylightning
    dannylightning Posts: 233
    edited July 2017
    musical would mean it sounds good when i listen to music on it..


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  • halen
    halen Posts: 710
    Define musical. Ask to the nth person and the answer will have to the nth differences.

    Muscal, to me is when I just enjoy. Let go of what you expect to hear. Let go of what you hope to hear that you have not. It is a sickness that consumes.

    Which brings up another point. Critic versus happy. If you constantly critique it consumes you, if you are happy, that is end game. The critique is rarely completely happy.

    Regardless of price. Dog chase tail. I had to give up audio for years to get over it. Only to do it again.

    Cheers.
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,020
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Personally, I could never answer this question. I just love to listen to music, and the better it sounds then the more I love it. I guess I just want a noise free, distortion free, experience that makes me feel good, and the better it sounds then the better I feel.

    Case in point was last Friday afternoon when I installed two Denali 2000 power conditioners, one for each amp. These made such an improvement that the music gave me energy and I was up until 9 PM Saturday night listening to it.
    So, in other words, Bud, musicality to you is the equivalent of an 8-ball over a coupla days off.

    Considering I look up to a lot of you guys...
    I dooze it!
    I disabled signatures.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,285
    Goose bumps

    Enough said
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    msg wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Personally, I could never answer this question. I just love to listen to music, and the better it sounds then the more I love it. I guess I just want a noise free, distortion free, experience that makes me feel good, and the better it sounds then the better I feel.

    Case in point was last Friday afternoon when I installed two Denali 2000 power conditioners, one for each amp. These made such an improvement that the music gave me energy and I was up until 9 PM Saturday night listening to it.
    So, in other words, Bud, musicality to you is the equivalent of an 8-ball over a coupla days off.

    Exactly. Sometimes it acts like a legal drug. On another forum, I made a post where I said we were like heroin addicts sitting comatose for hours listening to music, and one guy went ballistic. I guess the truth hit to close to home for him. LOL.

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,020
    That one gets an Agree and an Lol
    I disabled signatures.
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    The most musical system is the one playing the music I like. I'll take the sylvania boom box playing the music I like over the 50 k system playing the music I dislike any day.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,285
    Agree
    And sometimes you have that location situation
    Music is emotional IMHO
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,552
    msg wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Personally, I could never answer this question. I just love to listen to music, and the better it sounds then the more I love it. I guess I just want a noise free, distortion free, experience that makes me feel good, and the better it sounds then the better I feel.

    Case in point was last Friday afternoon when I installed two Denali 2000 power conditioners, one for each amp. These made such an improvement that the music gave me energy and I was up until 9 PM Saturday night listening to it.
    So, in other words, Bud, musicality to you is the equivalent of an 8-ball over a coupla days off.

    Considering I look up to a lot of you guys...
    I dooze it!

    Over a couple of days.....amateur!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,552
    edited July 2017
    daddyjt wrote: »
    I will probably be labeled a heretic for this, but here goes:

    Haveing been to many "live" music events, from concerts, symphonies, night clubs, and even twice to a recording studio, about the last thing I want from my system is the replication of "live" sound. In my experience, the cool part of live music is the EXPERIENCE, not the sound quality. In fact, the actual sound quality is often quite lacking - I have never been to a concert that sounds better than a quality 2ch rig, but if you want to replicate that sound, it's easy enough to do with DSP. Same for a night club, or even a symphony...

    What I strive for, is the accurate reproduction of the sound straight out of the mixing board, in a studio session - but in reality, it's hard to know what THAT sounds like anyway - so I guess it just comes down to a simple question - does it make you want to listen more...?

    To me comparing a 2 channel rig to a live event has more to do with the emotion and excitement derived than the actual sound quality. I have to say though that I've never heard any sound system live or at a home that came anywhere close to the Dead's Wall of Sound.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    For me it is an emotional connection with the music. The kind that gives me goosebumps. The system as well as mood set the stage for a great listening session.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited July 2017
    F1nut wrote: »
    ...
    To me comparing a 2 channel rig to a live event has more to do with the emotion and excitement derived than the actual sound quality. I have to say though that I've never heard any sound system live or at a home that came anywhere close to the Dead's Wall of Sound.

    1485967186140-WallOfSound_Sketch.jpeg?resize=1575:*

    Something I missed seeing/hearing by several years, unfortunately.
    I wish I'd have had the opportunity to hear it. Whether I'd have had any conscious memory of hearing it, of course, is another matter entirely!

    ... and, yes, even though the Wall of Sound did have a bevy of (specifically, thirty) EV T35 tweeters* on top of everything ;)

    6242037062_e2ac8994ca.jpg

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    * OK, maybe??? they were T-350s ;)



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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Pretty simple: when it sounds like actual flesh and blood people singing and or playing actual musical instruments -- it is good hifi.

    This for me exactly.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,054
    machone wrote: »
    For me it is an emotional connection with the music. The kind that gives me goosebumps. The system as well as mood set the stage for a great listening session.
    What he said....a system that you can enjoy playing a variety of music on and it hits you with that "it" factor when just the right recording comes on. A system that will lift your mood when you listen to it. A system that gives you a natural high when your hear a new song and say to yourself "damn".
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