Re-clockers

tonyb

Who's using one, what kind, and what have you experienced in your sound ?

Met up with Brian last night and he added one to his system and really is digging what it did for his sound. I won't steal his thunder on other aspects we talked about, he'll post his own thoughts. I know Phil had one in his system, anyone else using one ? Good, bad, little difference ?

Seems to me for the relatively cheap price these things go for, might be a worthy investment since digital playback is more mainstream now. So...who's using one ?

heiney9

What are you talking about?

You mean swapping out the clock in your digital device? Like a Dexa - D Neutrino clock. At $200 that's not inexpensive.

Or are you talking something like Monarchy DIP, an outboard component that re-clocks the signal you feed to it from your digital device and then re-transmits it? A bit more expensive than the above, but it's plug-n-play for every device.

H9

tonyb

https://www.amazon.com/Wyred-Sound-Remedy-Digital-Reclocker/dp/B00MX84PNU

Something like this Brock. I'm well aware that reclocking devices run the gammit price wise, but many others have come out with some at reasonable prices. To me anyway, anything under 5 bones is reasonable considering what we spend on cables.

EndersShadow

Re-clocker?

Is that one of those Chicago slang terms for when you get clocked in the head for a second time?

heiney9

5 bones isn't bad for a complete component, I just meant swapping internal clocks can be a bit pricey for the part.

These seem to be more common now. I for one would think (just guessing) that if you have a dac that's a top performer and costs a bit more then these things are moot. But that's a very large assumption on my part as some of these aftermarket add on's perform quite well.

My assumption has always followed the thought that a device like these can improve more modest set-ups where some corners were cut to hit a price point vs. a more expensive unit that doesn't cut many or any corners. Or much older digital devices that aren't up to date with the latest. I know it's as slippery slope because we all define "expensive" differently.

But, until I hear one, I can only assume, and we know how that can turn out.

I've always wanted to add the Monarchy DIP to my rig, but honestly I think the EE Dac Plus should already be at that level or higher when it comes to clock/signal isolation and transfer.

H9

heiney9

Looking at the Amazon page for the device you linked it looks like it's aimed just as I suspected.............for lesser digital devices. Apple TV, Sonos Connect, Airport Express, iPods, etc.

It probably can help those types of devices.

H9

erniejade

On my laptop rig, I have tried everything from an expensive usb cable on down to try to get wav / flac to sound as good as my cd player going to the same dac as the laptop. The single biggest difference on the sound is when the Wyerd 4 Sound Recovery with an IFI power supply got put in the chain. The top end became more airy, faster, tighter, the music had a heck of a lot more texture to it and finally sounded better vs CD.

While looking on other boards like computer audiophile, I keep looking at peoples signatures and while everyone had a ton of different components, the one thing that a lot of them seem to have in their signature was either a W4S recovery or W4s reclocker. I am sure there is probably other brands that will do the same thing but, on the sites I was looking at, they both were in a lot of peoples systems / signatures. People were running them everything from a laptop to a MicroRenu on down to Aires. I started asking around if you had to choose to one tweak in your system, what would it be? Again, a lot of them said either the recovery or reclocker from W4S.

On my rig, the difference was night and day. On some others I talked to, they said it was a slight difference but, some of them were not using a computer and using an actual dedicated music server to an MicroRenu or Aries, and put the recovery just before the dac.

Tweaking the Tweak? Many also say changing the 6" stock cord out with a Curious usb 200mm Regen Link also brings it to another level. I have not picked one up yet. I am still using the stock 6" usb cord that came with it. I did check out the stock power cord vs the 50$ IfI adapter and IfI did make a nice positive difference.

tonyb

I hear ya Brock you'd think the better dacs out there should handle that reclocking just as well if not better. I believe Phil, Pearsall....is using an Empirical audio syncro mesh reclocker between his Sonos and dac

That's why I couldn't remember it last night Brian, anything with more than 2 words to the name is lost on my old brain. lol

Nightfall

Is that Wyred 4 Sound really taking in a 192kHz signal and down converting it to 96kHz? For $400?

• 96kHz output sampling frequency
• Digital inputs support up to 24/192kHz

erniejade

@Nightfall on the reclocker, I am not sure. Give them a call and see. They are very knowledgeable on the phone even if your not going to buy. I have called them a few times over the past.

FTGV

Nightfall wrote: »

Is that Wyred 4 Sound really taking in a 192kHz signal and down converting it to 96kHz? For $400?

• 96kHz output sampling frequency
• Digital inputs support up to 24/192kHz

Yes upsample or downsample to a fixed 96k.And they will throw in a nice switch mode walwart power supply to boot.

pitdogg2

FTGV wrote: »

Nightfall wrote: »

Is that Wyred 4 Sound really taking in a 192kHz signal and down converting it to 96kHz? For $400?

• 96kHz output sampling frequency
• Digital inputs support up to 24/192kHz

Yes upsample or downsample to a fixed 96k

Whats the point of this Fred? Why would this be considered a good thing? Seems to me if I'm putting in a 192kHz I kind of want to get 192kHz out.

[Deleted User]

...because it is easier and cheaper to deal with 96k.
That is to say the jitter is in the modulation.

FTGV

They chose to use only one hi quality clock so had to fix the sample rate for that specific clock.It appears they are marketing this more for lower bit rate and sample rate devices that tend have more jitter at their outputs.These devices are likely to benifit from some jitter attenuation.The 192k compatability is part of the hardware and not likely the intended purpose.Although in theory depending reclocked/ resampled 192k to 96k file "may" be a sonic improvement.
IMO these type of outboard reclocker/upsamplers can provide some improvement ,it is limited by the added SPDIF transmission interface to the following DAC.Greater benefits are had if it is implimented right in the DAC itself.