Raining SDA's in NE Ohio..

Tour2ma
Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
edited March 2004 in Flea Market
First the SRS's. and now some sweet looking 3.1tl's...

No affil.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3087867778&category=14993
More later,
Tour...
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited March 2004
    $20.01:D

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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited March 2004
    Holy Shmoly... they have the black plastic thingy also!!!

    What the hell is that thing supposed to do?

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  • racer4551
    racer4551 Posts: 373
    edited March 2004
    Do these have a passive radiator or is a powered woofer?Also does anyone know what size the woofer or radiator is?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    All SDA's use PR's and the size of the one in the 3.1TL's is 12 inches.
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  • racer4551
    racer4551 Posts: 373
    edited March 2004
    Thanks f1, thats what i thought,it just looked like those actually had powered woofer by the looks of it.Sda's would be super if they had a powered woofer instead of that do nothing passive radiator:D
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    You're joking, right?
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  • racer4551
    racer4551 Posts: 373
    edited March 2004
    Could be...........................:D :D:D:D
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited March 2004
    yea powered subwoofers!!! with sony amps :rolleyes:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    No SDA's have powered subwoofers. There is purpose behind the use of a PR. A powered subwoofer would be neat, but it would be as loose as the later models that actually HAD one I am sure. Polk and Subwoofer, don't mix, IMO.

    I am not knocking the later series, they sound good when defined, but they are no "subwoofer".
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  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,493
    edited March 2004
    Would someone who actually knows PLEASE tell HBomb what that "plastic thingy" is supposed to do, exactly? Heck, I don't even know and I used to have the 11tl's which had it.

    But....., I never took them out and scraped the glue off either....:p
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  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,493
    edited March 2004
    Nevermind, found the other thread........
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by F1nut
    All SDA's use PR's and the size of the one in the 3.1TL's is 12 inches.
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    No SDA's have powered subwoofers. There is purpose behind the use of a PR. A powered subwoofer would be neat, but it would be as loose as the later models that actually HAD one I am sure. Polk and Subwoofer, don't mix, IMO.

    I am not knocking the later series, they sound good when defined, but they are no "subwoofer".
    Except of course in the SRT's which also employ the same passive SDA technology.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    No kidding, SRT's have a subwoofer? :rolleyes:

    The two monikers mean two different things.
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Whatever ...

    The SRT's and SRS's both employ the same passive SDA methodology.

    Just setting the record straight ...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    No, it's really apples and oranges. One is truly passive , the other controlled though a box. When someone mentions SDA's most, if not all people will know exactly what is being referenced. I stand by my comment that all SDA'a have PR's.
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    They're both passive. I suggest you check with the manufacturer to get the facts.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    I'd suggest that if you think the SDA's and the SRT's are the same animal, you shouldn't be posting here anymore. As a matter of fact, why do you post here? All you do is get into arguements with just about everyone else on this forum and it's getting really old.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    Facts? Get your facts straight PW. You always jump on this rare SRT bandwagon like you gave birth to them.

    No SDA had a powered subwoofer, period.

    No SDA SRS had a powered subwoofer, period.

    The SRT however contained a powered subwoofer, WITH an EXTERNAL SDA controller.

    Is that clear enough?
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    If you guys bothered to do the research before you flapped your gums then I wouldn't take exception to the inaccurate comments.

    Read it from the source ...

    From: , Rick
    Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:35 PM
    To: Swauger, Ken
    Subject: RE: Club Polk - SRT Subs ...
    Ken,

    I've heard "talk" of passive .vs. active in regards to the technology for SDA before.

    Both speaker systems are set up the same in terms of having line arrays for SDA and Stereo. In reality isn't the effect produced exactly the same way for the SRS's and the SRT's with the ONLY difference being that the electronics to make this happen for the SRS's reside inside the speaker cabinets as opposed to the SRT's where the electronics are contained in a Control Center ?

    Or am I missing something ?

    Rick
    ________________________________________
    Original Message
    From: Swauger, Ken
    Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:59 PM
    To: , Rick
    Cc: Polk, Matthew; Prachniak, Tony
    Subject: RE: Club Polk - SRT Subs ...
    Hello Rick,
    I"m going to forward your question on to folks who might be in a better position to give you a definitive answer.
    Take care, Ken
    ________________________________________
    From: Swauger, Ken
    Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:46 PM
    To: Rick.
    Subject: RE: Club Polk - SRT Subs ...
    Rick,
    Here's the definitive answer, from Matt Polk:

    " Ken -

    Rick is correct. In both cases the SDA signal for the SDA arrays are created using passive components. However, there are three significant differences between the SRS and SRT.

    First, the SRT incorporates an isolation transformer in the controller box that makes the system compatible with any type of amplifier. This is a huge, very efficient toroid that takes up most of the space inside the controller and contributes most of the heft. You will recall that the SRS was not compatible with non-common ground amplifiers and that an external isolation adapter was available which eliminated the amp problem but also reduced stage width slightly.

    The second difference, is that the SRT has adjustable SDA stage width. This is accomplished by varying the bandwidth of the SDA signal again using passive components and switches activated via the remote or the buttons on the controller.

    The third item has nothing to do with SDA and relates to the controls for the active subwoofers. The SRT controller incorporates volume, crossover, phase reverse and continuously adjustable phase for the subwoofers with separate music and movie volume settings which are adjustable from the remote. Location of these controls in an easily accessible controller rather than on the woofers made much greater setup precision possible in addition to much more convenient subwoofer level adjustment to suit the program material. This feature reappeared on the DS systems.

    -msp "
    Rick
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited March 2004
    Yeah, what they said.

    Is there an interconnect cable on SRT? No.

    Same basic idea, one handled passively in the speaker networks w/ an interconnecting cable (SDA), one handled actively in an external controller similar to Sonic Holography (SRT)

    NEXT.

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    There still isn't an SDA powered is it? That's great information that has been distributed prior, got anything else? We aren't talking SRT Sheriff Roscoe P Coltrane.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    If there is a SRT aficianado, it's PW, for sure. I think that's great, just wish it was in relation to the original post.

    Also, why do you not show up in the "active user" area? Just wondering.
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    I guess I didn't know it existed ...
    Rick
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    Perhaps you should read before you post.

    "However, there are three significant differences between the SRS and SRT."

    'Nuff Said!!!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,232
    edited March 2004
    Oh and by the way, you have to actively turn off your active user feature.:rolleyes:
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Ahhh ... a preference ... I probably turned it off on first arrival or soon after. I thought Doro was referring to a imbedded chat area. My bad ...

    F1,

    As a clarification I don't really attempt to argue per se ... differing points of view usually bring discussions which imho are good not only for the participants but also for other readers.

    In this hobby there are loads of opinions and few enough certainties.

    As far as Matts comments go, the last is related strictly to the subs, the second states that although the SRT's do have variable width that this is accomplished passively and the first states that the interaural crosstalk cancellation is accomplished using the same methodology with the only real difference being where the components are located that are performing the function.
    Rick
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    PW - Good data for the mass's is always a bonus, but we are at this point WAY off subject, as the thread really isn't even about SRT's. The original SDA/SRT comments stand.

    HEY POLK! WOULD IT BE OUT OF LINE TO ASK FOR A STICKY DEFINITION OF SDA AND SRT? The theory, function, and application would eliminate all this crap. It is all published, and in advertisments, so is it possible to translate that into the forum?
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Doro,

    As I know you are aware ...

    SRT is only the name of a particular speaker as is SRS.

    SDA along with being the name of the fore-runners of the SRS's is also the name of a technology invented and employed by Polk in the SDA's, CRS's, SRS's & SRT's.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/home/technology/sda.php?category=3&speaker=82

    Sorry to take this off topic ... I'll drop it here ...
    Rick
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited March 2004
    Thanks, I don't need any links internally, but I appreciate it.

    The reason for the request is that their has been more talk and resulting confusion about the models SRT and SDA lately. We are trying to educate the masses right?

    While SDA may be a broad term in Polkese, it's still is a valid request to request definition. The two speakers achieve SDA in two different ways, period.

    I don't mind conversation, please do not excuse yourself simply due to conflicting opinion, or subject matter. I don't think we are trying to save the world here.
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by dorokusai
    The two speakers achieve SDA in two different ways, period.

    I don't mind conversation, please do not excuse yourself simply due to conflicting opinion, or subject matter. I don't think we are trying to save the world here.
    Two different ways ? I suppose in the strictest terms that is true and I have stated what my opinion of those differences are based on folk at Polk who should know and that's not about active .vs. passive or SDA .vs. SH. SH is a whole different animal. The differences more closely approximate having a speaker with an imbedded crossover .vs. one where the crossover is external.
    Rick
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