Any recommendations for a less expensive 34MFD low pass cap for the M5 than Sonicap?
pkquat
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I came across some M5 series 2 for an amazing price, just in time for my Sonicap order for a number of other speakers (M5A, 4A's, 5jr+s). Dave will be doing my SDA's later. The M5 high pass components are not too much, and if needed they could be re-purposed. I don't think I have enough love for them to spend $100 for two caps at this point.
I've seen Dayton 33's recommended. I have also seen Clarity 33's and 35's although I don't remember which models are preferred. Is 5% tolerance good enough or should I look for lower? I swear one site (other than Soniccraft) said they would match capacitors but I can't find it now. I don't mind ordering from two places provided shipping is not outrageous, but any recommendations from Soniccraft, so I can keep my order at one place?
I've seen Dayton 33's recommended. I have also seen Clarity 33's and 35's although I don't remember which models are preferred. Is 5% tolerance good enough or should I look for lower? I swear one site (other than Soniccraft) said they would match capacitors but I can't find it now. I don't mind ordering from two places provided shipping is not outrageous, but any recommendations from Soniccraft, so I can keep my order at one place?
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Clarity is the 1st choice. Solen is a good economical cap for the low pass."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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I went with the Clarity ESA's in 33uf from Madisound, around $34/each if I remember right. If you go the route of the PX series you'll have to get two to equal 33uf and with crossover space at a premium you have to make them fit. Just food for thought...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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I use these when budget is a concern.
http://www.erseaudio.com/Products/PulseX250v/MPX25-03-33-00
I wouldn't sweat the 1uf difference.
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Clarity is the 1st choice. Solen is a good economical cap for the low pass.
I've heard mixed thoughts on the Solens or how they blend with Sonicaps, although they were my first thought. Daytons seamed to come up more as a pairing with the Sonicaps. I think it may have been someone who offered Solens that would match a pair to 1%, but still have a 5% on the actual value.I went with the Clarity ESA's in 33uf from Madisound, around $34/each if I remember right. If you go the route of the PX series you'll have to get two to equal 33uf and with crossover space at a premium you have to make them fit. Just food for thought...
Partscxn has the ESA's for 40% off, ~$25. This is tempting. Two PX's would be about the same. I still have to think if that is in my budget of what I want to spend.I use these when budget is a concern.
http://www.erseaudio.com/Products/PulseX250v/MPX25-03-33-00
I wouldn't sweat the 1uf difference.
I am not familiar with ERSE. Are they similar to the Daytons and Solens? I like the 3% tolerance.
One other crazy idea. Go with Clarity ESA all around? That total is almost the Sonicap high pass. The 8.2 should be close enough to the 8. The thing is all the other high pass will be Sonicaps, but then again they are different models with different crossovers. It may be more of a head game than sonic difference.
Side question too. Is anyone aware of a volume or dollar discount from Soniccraft? Before these my total will be over $500 for the other speakers.
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If you can hear a difference between 1%, 3% and 5% in respect to the tolerance in caps, you are not an Earthling.
Solens and Sonicaps are in my SDA's (modded before I got them). Solens and Clarity caps are in my Monitor 5B's. No issues w/Solens in the low pass. I had Solens in the high pass in the 5B's and Clarity's (now) are way better .
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
If you can hear a difference between 1%, 3% and 5% in respect to the tolerance in caps, you are not an Earthling.
Solens and Sonicaps are in my SDA's (modded before I got them). Solens and Clarity caps are in my Monitor 5B's. No issues w/Solens in the low pass. I had Solens in the high pass in the 5B's and Clarity's (now) are way better .
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Good to know. I may go that route too. My main thought on the Sonicaps for the high pass is that if I decide not to keep the 5's I may be able to use them in 7's which I really want, and put whatever in the 5's if I sell them. With the discount on Clarity caps, the Calrity / Solen combo is looking like the best middle ground route.
While actual values may vary, matching between pairs is recommended, although I doubt is as noticeable on the low end. Also a 5% tolerance can be up to 10% difference. I can't say I've noticed or done any of those listening tests, but I do notice differences sometimes even between pairs of speakers. I have two pair of 5jr+ with the SL2000 tweeters and the two pair sound different, and on one I can here a difference little between speakers, mind you these are old electrolytic caps. I'll find out what the actual values are when I rebuild them. -
I can't say I've noticed or done any of those listening tests, but I do notice differences sometimes even between pairs of speakers. I have two pair of 5jr+ with the SL2000 tweeters and the two pair sound different, and on one I can here a difference little between speakers, mind you these are old electrolytic caps. I'll find out what the actual values are when I rebuild them.
Yes, and I'm betting the old parts in the crossover is why you can hear a difference. Put new caps in both, match and unmatched, 1% and 10% and clean all the contacts, make sure the cabinet is sealed, etc and you won't hear a difference.
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"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
The 40% off on the ESA feels like Xmas, these are great capacitors .I have used it along with Mundorf resistors on a 5B recap, the results were fantastic.
I just placed an order to recap my SDA CRS, this time will do it along with Mills resistors... Get it! -
What about Axon? I have them in my JBLs. I don't remember how high they have but you can always stack caps to get the value you need.
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Not even close to Sonicap or Clarity ESA.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Not even close to Sonicap or Clarity ESA.
Are you saying the Axon caps are not as good as the Sonicaps?
I have a few Sonicaps in mine also. I do feel the blending of my woofer to mid was a weak spot in my JBLs. Maybe I should look at replacing the Axon caps? -
That's what I'm saying.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Thank you for all the input. I went with the Clarity ESA / Solen combo. The price was right. Every thing should be arriving this week.
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Does VDC matter?2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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Vdc should be the same or higher than original caps, I don't think it has sonic impact.
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Does VDC matter?Vdc should be the same or higher than original caps, I don't think it has sonic impact.
Agreed.
From what I have gathered the VDC does not need to match, 50VDC is stock, although I think there were some 100 VDC in earlier models. 200+ is more than enough.
