Good Budget Speaker Wire and ICs?

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  • codycatalist
    codycatalist Posts: 2,662
    Nice! I wish I could get nice things too.

    Just kidding I count my blessings!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    ^I dislike you right now Skip lol
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    DSkip wrote: »
    Helicon is in. No listening yet.

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    Does the "16" mean 16 ga? If so Is that available unterminated/bulk?
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited July 2016
    F1nut wrote: »
    ...cables that will... ...make a difference.
    any cables will make a diff over none! LOL!

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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    Look light enough for tweeters - I'm interested. Per foot $?
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    OFC = O2 free copper
    OCC = ???
    Email sent
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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
    gp4jesus wrote: »
    OFC = O2 free copper
    OCC = ???
    Email sent

    This mighta help :smile:
    The highest-quality technique for drawing copper is called “Ohno Continuous Casting” or OCC. OCC copper has one grain in about 700 feet—far less than even LC copper. The audio signal travels through a continuous conductor instead of traversing grain boundaries. Because OCC is a process that can be performed on any purity of copper, not all OCC copper is equal.
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  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,510
    On my 2.3TLs would it make sense to use the Helicon 16 from the x-overs to the drivers and tweeters but use a heavier gauge like the Supra Rondo 13 awg from the binding posts to the x-overs? Or just use the Helicon 16 for both?
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited August 2016
    I'd go heavier BP to XO - 10 ga but no smaller than 12 ga. I think even 12 ga "leave performance on the table."

    The cheap AR 12 ga I used(from PE) from BP to XO to the mid/woofers soldered all the way "warmed up." my center channel considerably.

    My next "time under the hood" I'm upgrading w/10 ga from Bluejeans.

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    Everyones definition of "budget" varies, but in what may be on the upper edge of budget as I understand it, would be Kimber PBJ and 4TC. The added value here is that these are cables that could easily grow into practically any upgrade in the future.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited August 2016
    DSkip wrote: »
    I highly doubt the gauge is going to make any difference in such a short run... ...You won't be losing power.
    *sigh* In my 36 years in this hobby gage DOES make a difference, inside and out. I've preached that almost dogmatically my ten years on this forum.

    Every pair I've done, I listen* after doing one speaker. Except for my 'A1s, every time the modded speaker is louder, than the stocker.
    DSkip wrote: »
    For a subwoofer, I don't think I would advise the helicon series or a smaller gauge...
    go big, 2X, 3X or go home.
    DSkip wrote: »
    ...but you aren't sending hundred of watts to a single driver in this case.
    The first pair I rewired, 36 years ago I used MC 12 ga & "tested*" them w/an NAD 45WPC integrated amp at a moderate volume. As I "beat the dead horse," the modded was louder.

    We can't do anything about the XO's cap leads, etc. but we can go bigger everywhere else. Your RTi A series a little thin even w/an amp, get busy inside before you shop for a "warmer" amp.

    You can hear a diff w/boutique cables, I'm certain you'll hear this waaay cheaper "upgrade" too.
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro Samsung BDP, Amazon Firestick, Phillips CD Changer Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; Ctr Ch outside BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out 8 ga Powerline: LR woofers, inside* & out *soldered LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & “Plugged*” Mids - 981, connected w/MP Premiere ICs Ctr Ch: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6 Surrounds: Premiere ICs ->Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3. 5 Subs: Sunfire True SW Signature -> LFE & Ctr Ch; 4 Audio Pro Evidence @ the “Corners”. Power Conditioning & Distribution: 4 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 5 Furman Miniport 20s *Xschop's handy work
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