Looky what's on the way for my Dared Pre

Stew
Stew Posts: 645
edited May 2016 in 2 Channel Audio
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SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
1000VA Dreadnought
Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    Attaboy
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    I'm running Siemens triple micas now. They sound great but I wanted to try something more lush. Hope these will do the trick.
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    A brand new pair of 1959 Sylvania triple mica black plate 12at7''s arrived today. Can't wait to hear these! Will be listening soon.
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    These are Sweet!!!
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    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    The 5751 version of this tube is killer also. Good score, I'd like to have a pair myself, if you don't mind me asking, where did you come up with these?
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    I found them at vivatubes.com. They also have an eBay store:

    http://stores.ebay.com/VIVA-TUBES-NOS-Vintage-Vacuum-Tubes
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    Thanks for the link Stew! Enjoy!!!
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    Nice! I take it they are keepers :)

    got some Amperex 7062's from Snow that are long tall tubes that I'm using now in my Dared per and enjoy them a lot!
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    Definitely keepers! Warm and sweet but still detailed. Not as punchy as the Siemens but still punchy. The Siemens sound great but were a little too much of a good thing for my system. These are just what I was hoping for!
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    voltz wrote: »
    got some Amperex 7062's from Snow that are long tall tubes that I'm using now in my Dared per and enjoy them a lot!

    I just Googled those to find out what they are. Outstanding I'm sure!
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    Stew wrote: »
    I found them at vivatubes.com. They also have an eBay store:

    http://stores.ebay.com/VIVA-TUBES-NOS-Vintage-Vacuum-Tubes

    You must have gotten their last pair, I ordered a pair Sat. and just received word today that they were out stock on that particular tube.

    Don't know why venders don't remove an item from their available stock listings when they are sold out :/
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    Mike,
    I like these enough that I'm looking for a second pair for backup. I searched for Sylvania 12at7wa and found several that look identical but say grey plates instead of black plates. Mine are decidedly black plate and the ones i found look like black plates. Take a look at TC tubes, Cryoset and tubestore.com. I'm planning to email them and find out if they're actually black plates.
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    These have wide plates and bridged filaments, that's the difference.

    I've got a fairly large stash of AT7's, I'll get by!

    Good luck!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    Both are nice tubes in the Dared, the Black Plates getting the nod. The 2 mica, bp 6201 gold pins being even better if you can find them.

    I've sold off most of my 12AT7/ECC81's but kept a few pairs in the stash, the above being one of them.

    Sylvania 5965's are also excellent.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    Mike,
    I have a lot to learn. What are bridged filaments and what's their benefit? How do you tell by looking?
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    It has a heater wire on top see link.

    http://www.tubemaze.info/sylvania-12at7-gray-plates-2-mica/
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    I own older Sylvania tubes for every position of my various tube amps, and they never disappoint with some being excellent. Gold Brand always being consistently the best with a house sound (in general) that is always very detailed, but never harsh or over bearing and the gray plates have excellent, tight bass with a liquid midrange that is very hard to duplicate. Some say the midrange is a little to forward, but I don't think so. The overall size of the soundstaging is exceptional.

    I am running a pair of elusive ECC85 black plate's in my Dared MP-5 clone and they are superb! My favorite 6SL7 is the 50's tall base JAN CHS 6SL7WGT black plate w/square getter. Simply puts you right in the front row, the enveloping soundstage is phenomenal.

    Currently running a single 1962 Sylvania 6189 Gold Brand (military version of the 12AU7), 3 mica gray plate, square getter in my Eastern Electric Dac Plus. So good I bought a quad to run in my Eastern Electric Avant Pre-amp with a pair of the same year Sylvania 5751 GB, 3 mica, square getter, gray plates.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    Stew wrote: »
    Mike,
    I have a lot to learn. What are bridged filaments and what's their benefit? How do you tell by looking?

    Good question, as I have NO idea. That was a quote from the ebay seller as to what the differences were between the tube you have and what he has left in stock.

    Just thought it might help to know the specs in your quest to find another pair identical to what you have now, sooo many different varieties of the same tube!

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    Read my link it sort of explains it.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    Thanks Mike. These sound magic in my system.
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    Time to find some Amperex France 12AT7! After rolling and rolling, they always go back to my Manley pre for a good reason.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    Mike Reeter wrote: »
    You must have gotten their last pair

    Mike,
    If you're still looking, I found another pair of JHS TM BP 12AT7WA's at tctubes.com. They're not listed on the website but I emailed them and asked. They told me they have some in stock but they need to be tested. I got an email the next day that they found a matched pair. They're on the way. It sounds like they have more. Good luck!
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

    RTiA3, Onkyo TX-SR605
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    Stew wrote: »
    Mike Reeter wrote: »
    You must have gotten their last pair

    Mike,
    If you're still looking, I found another pair of JHS TM BP 12AT7WA's at tctubes.com. They're not listed on the website but I emailed them and asked. They told me they have some in stock but they need to be tested. I got an email the next day that they found a matched pair. They're on the way. It sounds like they have more. Good luck!

    Thanks for the heads-up Stew!

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