Denon 4200 vs Pioneer Elite sc91
michael1947
Posts: 775
in Electronics
I missed buying a Denon 4200 here on the forum and now looking around on e-bay for an up to date unit. I liked the Denon as it is 4 ohm capable to drive my LSI 9's and the bluetooth and atmos. The Pioneer is equally equipped but unsure as to the 4 ohm capability nor am I sure if either has pre-outs if I decide to go back to an amp. I would appreciate your feedback. The 7 to 8 hundred range is good for me but maybe up to 1k, Mike
Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's.
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's.
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And I forgot to mention, if anyone has a unit with these specs you want to sell, now would be the time to raise your hand.Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's. -
OK, now let's throw in a yammy RXA 2050 into the mix, thanks.Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's. -
Don't think that model has pre outs, but would have no problem driving your 4 ohm speakers.
Not a fan of Denon, so I would choose the Pioneer between the two.
The Yamaha in the mix, I would choose it. It's 4 ohm capable, and has preouts for an amp later on. Yamaha probably has the most experience in sound research above the 7.x than any other manufacturer. Without an amp the Pioneer will probably do a better job driving you speakers. -
Thank you for your input rpf65, I appreciate it. I have a small HT about 12 x 16 with an 8 ft ceiling and I can't explain why but I would rather just use the AVR...I have lots of amps just laying around but don't think I really need them. So I want a 4 ohm capable unit with pre-outs and the latest gizmos, such as atmos and blue tooth.Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's. -
If you don't want to use an amp, go with the Pioneer. It's a very capable receiver, and it may not be as good as a stand alone amp, has a very capable amplifier section.
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If you don't want to use an amp, go with the Pioneer. It's a very capable receiver, and it may not be as good as a stand alone amp, has a very capable amplifier section.If you don't want to use an amp, go with the Pioneer. It's a very capable receiver, and it may not be as good as a stand alone amp, has a very capable amplifier section.
I'd second that suggestion.....if you plan on staying with bookies. If your plan is to drive bigger speakers down the road though, a separate amp would be the bigger priority.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Thanks guys, I think I will do something on the order of the least costly pioneer with pre-outs atmos and blue tooth, a late model unit. Tis a shame I haven't figured out how to work in my old Adcom pre amp GTP-600 into the modern mix of things as I like the way it sounds for 2 ch and 5 ch cinema but without even HDMI or an Optical it's hard to get the signal back and forth, and no wireless or bluetooth or front height or atmos. I hate spending more coin on this new stuff while I have scads of equipment just taking up space in my closet.Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's.
