Would I have done better with this Pro-ject Debut III

afterburnt
afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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I have this TEAC TN-300, would Pro-ject Debut III bea an improvement?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,493
    Yes.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited February 2016
    Yes but since you already have the Teac you should just save and move up a "real" level instead of a little step up.

    http://www.musicdirect.com/p-119888-vpi-traveler-turntable.aspx

    http://www.musicdirect.com/p-95527-marantz-tt-15-acrylic-turntable-factory-reconditioned.aspx

    That's my take, anyway.

    Edit: That Marantz is actually a Clearaudio, in case you didn't know.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    How about this : Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC Esprit SB Turntable has speed control built in with a Acrylic platter and Ortofon Red Cartridge & new DC power supply takes AC from the wall, converts it to DC, then converts it back to AC for the motor.
    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PRDCDCES

    if you don't mind 1 in Red then have it a demo of it a little cheaper.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,358
    @Nightfall
    I would agree...hold out, the biggest gain from the TEAC to Project would be a better phono pre at that price point
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    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    I may have to agree too with Nightfall & Ron....
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • pumpkinman
    pumpkinman Posts: 9,912
    I gotta agree with the guys. Save up for a bigger step up.

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  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited February 2016
    well not bad for $320. have you noticed I don't see as may spec as much as the old days http://www.teac.com/product/tn-300/specifications/
    https://reverb.com/item/1065193-pro-ject-debut-iii-turntable-piano-black-new?_aid=pla&currency=USD&pla=1&gclid=CjwKEAiA3aW2BRCD_cOo5oCFuUMSJADiIMILixu8KtCyWDDM2JlQajoFyk5dimtqH0E7_3f3RqLeKxoCYFLw_wcB
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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
    I have this table, I upgraded the cartridge and got an external phono pre and made a night and day difference. I listen to a lot of CDs and digital, my vinyl craze has calmed down. I would do as night fall suggests, save, and make a major upgrade. That's what I intend to do, save up a bit and buy something really nice, I was happy with the teac for a while, but with the upgrades I have done, the teac just isn't doing it for me anymore.
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Yes but since you already have the Teac you should just save and move up a "real" level instead of a little step up.

    http://www.musicdirect.com/p-119888-vpi-traveler-turntable.aspx

    http://www.musicdirect.com/p-95527-marantz-tt-15-acrylic-turntable-factory-reconditioned.aspx

    That's my take, anyway.

    Edit: That Marantz is actually a Clearaudio, in case you didn't know.

    Man, That's a great price for the Marantz!
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

    2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    a little up there but a super good price
    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PRRPM101
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    wow I cant afford this place!
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    We just love helping everyone spend there $$
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Darryl I really need those Ushers. I was just wondering about the Carbon cause I was reading the reviews.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    Don't forget the phono pre or are you just going to plug it into the P5... You should have bought my mmf 5.1 when it was for sale.
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Yeah Mikey, that's the plan. I didn't see your item on sale. I am taking baby steps. What a lie! Regardless if the P5 phono pre aint the one, I still got plans for it.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    The p5 pre is fine until you hear other things... then you will get the itch and have to scratch it with hundred dollar bills (plural).
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    Like this sexy momma. Hand made in the USA, point to point, no circuit boards, tube phono preamp, lifetime warranty.

    http://www.decware.com/newsite/ZP3.htm

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    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Like this sexy momma. Hand made in the USA, point to point, no circuit boards, tube phono preamp, lifetime warranty.

    http://www.decware.com/newsite/ZP3.htm

    zp3blackalternate.jpg

    It's a beautiful thing. I would love to hear it
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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Nightfall wrote: »
    Like this sexy momma. Hand made in the USA, point to point, no circuit boards, tube phono preamp, lifetime warranty.

    http://www.decware.com/newsite/ZP3.htm

    zp3blackalternate.jpg

    It's a beautiful thing. I would love to hear it

    That is sexy. Tubes are a dangerous thing though. You can spend 100 bucks and not like them.
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
    nbrowser wrote: »
    mikeyb128 wrote: »

    That is sexy. Tubes are a dangerous thing though. You can spend 100 bucks and not like them.

    Didn't you go down that rabbit hole? :)

    Yes I did. Lol but I've found my sound, And I'm stopping there for now.
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Man I thanks to Voltz I am hearing Aja the right way for once. I will take a shot at a upgrade cartridge before I change out the TT
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    I got the vinyl bug, Aja is a beautiful LP
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    sure as hell better than the CD!
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    True!! But Vinyl is always analog :wink:

    not sure what happened or when, but after spinning AJA myself it moved up to my favorite Steely Dan LP.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    BTW Was talking to one of the vinyl people from Acoustic sounds, I told him I had a Debut Carbon with a Ortofon Red Cartridge and thouhg I might change out the cartirdge someday and what would he recommend?

    He told me the RED was perfect for the Debut Carbon and if I wanted to upgrade something he recommend putting my $$ towards a better Phono amp and not on a new Cartridge...

    but you can buy a Ortofon Blue Stlyus and you just unplug the RED and put on the Blue Stlyus for a easy upgrade, better stylus better sound.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
    You people say this all the time (maybe even me).
    I don''t like this or that cartridge but they never say the
    other half the equation which is with what phono amp.

    This is a good thread cuz I'm resisting getting a better
    TT and phono amp (tube)
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited February 2016
    LOL I actually like my Ortofon Red Cartridge with the 3 phono amps I had.

    1. Parasound Zphono (was to big for my setup)
    2. Graham Slee Gram amp 2 SE (was to light and my cables wanted to pull it off my rack...had to weighed it down)
    3. Vincent PHO8 ..was perfect fit in size and sound B)

    I should say I now have a Pro-ject Xperience Classic in olivewood withe a Blue point #2 high MC Cartridge.
    2 ch- Polk CRS+ * Vincent SA-31MK Preamp * Vincent Sp-331 Amp * Marantz SA8005 SACD * Project Xperience Classic TT * Sumiko Blue Point #2 MC cartridge

    HT - Polk 703's * NAD T-758 * Adcom 5503 * Oppo 103 * Samsung 60" series 8 LCD
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    I like my budgie phono pre with my Soundsmith Carmen....added some new "custom" cables today... Very quiet and accurate. LP's have never sounded better.
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    I took my Pro-Ject tube preamp out and I'm using the built in phono amp in my Rogue with my Ortofon - Quintet Black MC. Sounds better that way.
    Anaheim Hills CA,
    HT 5.1: Anthem MRX 720 / BDP-Denon DBT1713UD / Polkaudio LSiM703 / W4S mAmp's / Polkaudio LSiM706c / Polkaudio LSiM702F/X's / SVS PC12-NSD / Panasonic TC P55VT30

    2 Channel: Rogue RP-5 / WireWorld Electra power cord / Marantz TT-15S1/ Ortofon - Quintet Black MC / Marantz NA8005 DAC / W4S mAmp's / Synology DS 216+ll-4TB / Polkaudio LSiM703
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
    the pre I really want is the Cary PH 302.
    Then I HAVE to upgrade my TT / Cart.
    I've looked seriously at a Budgie as well.
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