Fixing a Behringer Inuke 6000DSP
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This may be my first rodeo getting an audio component fixed since I really have never had any used equipment die on me like this amp did. From what I can tell it has been revealed by Behringer faulty diodes were used in the power supply. I purchased the amp used so there is no warranty.
Before I go trotting off to one of the local shops about what can I expect to pay to get all the diodes in the power supply replaced? I have no clue how many there are and I would not know what a diode looked like even if you hit me in the face with it.
Thanks, G
Before I go trotting off to one of the local shops about what can I expect to pay to get all the diodes in the power supply replaced? I have no clue how many there are and I would not know what a diode looked like even if you hit me in the face with it.
Thanks, G
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Not familiar with the piece so I can't answer but I'd have a qualified tech check it out anyway. May not even be a diode.
That will cost some though and not sure the piece is worth the investment. Sometimes, you just have to let stuff go.HT SYSTEM-
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Honestly I'd see what the manufacture repair would cost and have them do it so you know it's up to spec.
What are you using it to power?"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I see most use these to power subwoofers, not speakers. Which then you don't need to concern yourself so much with sound quality and all those other audiophile terms we like to use.
Is that going to be the main use for this....a subwoofer ?HT SYSTEM-
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EndersShadow wrote: »Honestly I'd see what the manufacture repair would cost and have them do it so you know it's up to spec.
What are you using it to power?
Epik Empire x 2.
I like all the features this amp has, helps me tweak the cut off, boost, volume for two subs, etc.
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Well brand new they run under 400 bucks, used might be below 300. A repair tech, depending, can easily approach those numbers.HT SYSTEM-
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If I can get it in and out for under a bill then I might get it fixed.HT:
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This is an open post from one of the pro sound boards. Might be helpful
http://www.proaudiospace.com/forum/topics/behringer-nu6000-problems?id=2910192:Topic:198828&page=1#comments
Dear all,
Allow me to introduce myself. I am the manager of the MUSIC Group Care Center in Nevada which is in charge of servicing and managing spare parts for the brands Midas, Klark Teknik, Turbosound, Behringer and Bugera.
Please contact our CARE Department at 702-800-8290 or care@music-group.com for service information. I would emphasize that opening a unit voids the warranty, and that for warranty service, you would only be responsible for shipping to us.
Please let me know if I can be of any other help. If you ever travel to Las Vegas, please feel free to drop by so we can give you a little tour!
Kind regards,
Bart BOLTON
Manager, CARE
MUSIC Group
CAREUS@music-group.com
1-702-800-8290 extension 5771
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If I can get it in and out for under a bill then I might get it fixed.
That might be a stretch. Considering most places have a 1 hour minimum and that alone could cost anywhere from 50-100 bucks....plus parts. More than likely they'd charge one hour just to diagnose the problem, then another hour when parts come in and actually do the repair.HT SYSTEM-
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I know a number of other Empire sub owners have tried the Behringer amps when the Epik plate amps failed . Having been around pro audio gear for many years, Behringer amps haven't been all that dependable, basically you get what you pay for. Believe me, I've used the less expensive amps before in bands and learned this. Noticed a number of other Empire owners have tried Crown, QSC, Lab Gruppen amps to power their sub or subs. I'd pass on trying to repair the Behringer and just go with a better brand of amp.
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To put the cost into perspective my local tech charges as 20 dollar "looksie/diagnosis" fee, and then 80 an hour for labor (notice no parts cost in there)...
So your 100 or under cost is very unlikely unless you find someone to do it for parts only (with maybe some beer thrown in)........."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I've had trouble getting any support from Behringer in the past, even when I was an official warranty center for their products. Once in a while they would come through with parts or service info but that was not the norm. My advice would be to look into replacing it with something a bit more reliable.2 Channel - Polk SDA-2BTL, Carver TFM-35, Peachtree iDAC, Qobuz streamed via Episode Lynk using bubble UPnP server
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Behringer's products are extremely inexpensive. They also have a reputation for having somewhat dicey reliability (especially in more recent years). I think the general perspective is that their products are dsiposable.
I have a couple of inherited Behringer DSPs (the first generation version of their EQ processor -- I forget the model number)... other than that, no personal experience, just hearsay (i.e., take the comments above with a large grain of salt, except for the first statement, about price).
EDIT: FWIW, this is (these are) the Behringers that I have here in the basement. Their working condition, actually, is still unknown:
http://origin.behringer.com/EN/Products/DSP8024.aspx
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Okay thank all of you for your input.
I picked up a NAD 2400 a while back at a garage sale for $20, first time I have run across any NAD gear around these parts. Looking at the specs I should be able to bridge it for use on one and pick up another off Ebay if it works out.
Merry Christmas (or whatever you celebrate) to all.
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Be careful you don't push that NAD2400 too hard, especially bridged. How low of ohm rating is the NAD?
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I think 2ohm and I'm guessing the Empires are 4ohm. I don't get real stupid on the volume so I'm thinking it should be fine.
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The NAD can't do 2ohm bridged.
I have repaired a class D amp once, and was successful in replacing discrete analog components, but went into it with the knowledge that a chip or something much more complex could have been knocked out when the old caps went. Replacing the diodes shouldn't been too much expense or time if you want to do it yourself, but also acknowledge that the amp may have greater issues. -
I think 2ohm and I'm guessing the Empires are 4ohm. I don't get real stupid on the volume so I'm thinking it should be fine.
You'd be fine without bridging. Most amps in bridged mode don't like a load below 8 ohms. Don't think the Nad can do 2 ohm anyway regardless. Still, nice pick up for a 20.
I might be inclined to hook it up to a cheap set of speakers first in case something is wrong with it.HT SYSTEM-
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It works pretty good I've had it bridged on my center channel now for a while without issues. Guy also had an Audiosorce amp for $10 more, evidently he thought it was a better amp So let me get this straight if I bridge the 2400 on one 4ohm speaker that's putting a 2ohm load on the amp?HT:
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No...that's still putting a 4 ohm load on the amp, but it probably won't like it in bridged mode. If your center is 8 ohm you should be ok, but I don't see a need to bridge it.
In general, a bridged amp should be paired with an 8 ohm speaker that doesn't have a huge impedance swing. An 8 ohm nominal rating can mean it could dip to 6 ohms, and depending on the amp, and in bridged mode, may or may not sound too good.
The 2 ohm rating, which is suspect imho, is for a 4 ohm nominal speaker that can dip to 2 ohms. Except that 2 ohm rating is for a very short period of time, like probably a second.HT SYSTEM-
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Okay cool thanks for the info!HT:
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So let me get this straight if I bridge the 2400 on one 4ohm speaker that's putting a 2ohm load on the amp?No...that's still putting a 4 ohm load on the amp
That shouldn't be correct. Any time that you bridge an amp, it "sees" half the impedance of what you're hooking it up to. This is why specs for bridged into 4 ohms is typically about the same as stereo into 2 ohms, and also why typically the stated impedance that it is stable at is twice what the stereo impedance is. It's not really, once you bridge it, what the amp sees gets cut in half, so really its the same.
So yes, your amp should see a 2 ohm load nominal if you bridge it into a 4 ohm load. This is just how it is across all amps unless there's some kind of weird technology that I have never heard of before in the past 25 years that I've spent bridging amps into subwoofers.
That being said, what's interesting about one of the amps in question, the iNuke 6000, is that it's in forced bridge mode. It's really a 4 channel amp that's bridged and you only have stereo outputs. This is why you can only run it at 4 ohms stereo while the 3000 can run 2 ohms stereo. Its really just two bridged iNuke 3000 amps in the same case, both bridged. They do have a new version that is straight up 4 channel but most are the forced bridged version. -
well, there is this weird technology called "transformers" that allow(s) impedance matching... but they're not too common in soiled state land.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »well, there is this weird technology called "transformers" that allow(s) impedance matching... but they're not too common in soiled state land.
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I had an Audiosource AMP300 that was solid for subwoofer use bridged with a 4 ohm load. It didn't have as much power as I wanted, but worked well and never went into protection.
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The Audiosource amp is a model 102 I've plugged it in to make sure it powered on and that's about all I've done with it. I took the NAD off the center and wired it up stereo (l+R) to the two subs, sounds okay. I would really like to put an Adcom GFA-1that I have mothballed on them but I need to control the levels independently which I can't do with the Adcom. I may call the Behringer sos pos hotline and see if they will give me an estimate on the fix.HT:
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These work well to power subwoofers:
http://www.amazon.com/Buttkicker-BKA1000-N-ButtKicker-Power-Amplifier/dp/B000AM2OT8