B&K ST2140 w/ SDA 1C

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sfosselman
sfosselman Posts: 184
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Been looking at using a B&K ST2140(140 watts per channel into 8Ω) to power my 1C's. I listen at respectable volume in a medium sized space. Right now I am using an Emotiva XPA-2(300 watts RMS per channel @ 8 ohm) but there seems to be no love for their gear and B&K has been mentioned more than a few times. Of course I would love to get my hands on a Parasound A21 but unfortunately my boss refuses to give me more money. Greedy **** :) Any thoughts gents?
Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,176
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    Just curious if the Emotiva is to your liking, aside what other folks think about it. Have you thought about tube amps?
    SDA SRS 2.3TL's
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    The Emotiva amp has plenty of power, good sound stage, but can sound a bit harsh as times...I am in the process of upgrading tweeters which should smooth out the high end. I have used tubes in the past with a pair of Klipsch with good results but I still prefer solid state due to the fact I am 50/50 music and movies. Maybe in the future I could do a tube pre with SS amp but that is a whole animal I don't wish to wrestle with right now. The SDA rabbit hole is plenty deep enough to keep me occupied
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Also have a good lead on a McCormack DNA-.5..Do you think that will be enough power for the large SDA's?
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,182
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    The McCormack would be my choice.I'm running that amp with fully modded 2.3tl's and it is wonderful.More than enough power.
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    Musical Fidelity M6Si
    North Star Intenso Dac
    Auralic Aries Mini Streamer
    Oppo 103
    Pangea PC
    Wireworld Equinox 7 interconnects
    Wireworld Equinox 7 Speaker Cables and Jumpers

    Backups 2.3tl, Crs+ pin/blade with stands.Monitor 5 peerless,Monitor 4 peerless,Polk R200,McCormack Dna 0.5 Deluxe McCormack Dna 1,Dared Sl 2000A,Dayens Ampino Rogue Magnum 66 pre
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    Agree - I have run my 1c's with a B&K ST1400II and a McCormack DNA-1, the B&K was just too warm for my tastes, and didn't feel like it could really control the 1c's, the McCormack has power, detail and control in spades.
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  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,053
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    I have a 2140 and I like the sound of it on my Concert Grands and stacked Mac ML1C's. I never tried it on my sda's as I just don't think it would do them justice. I'm thinking you'd be disappointed going from your 300 wpc Emo to the 140 wpc B&K. Emo's do get a bad rap but my Emo ERC 3 cd player has sent a handful of what should be better sounding cd players packing. Who cares about the bad rap unless you're trying to impress someone or something other than your own ears
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
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    I like the ERC 3 as well (sans quirks)
    I haven't listened to all Emo amps, but the ones I have
    lose on detail and harshness at high levels vs BK.
    Just sayin' don't think this is furthering the OP's question
    much. Get a 2220 or a 4430 if you can't get a McCormack.

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,906
    edited November 2015
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    rednedtugent wrote: »
    I Get a b&k 2220 or a 4430 if you can't get a McCormack.

    This ^^^^ or a Parasound 1200 or 1500.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,073
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    The 4430 is a 3 channel amp, I think you mean the 4420?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
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    No, the 4430. I noticed a little hum pickup from the right channel next to the power source. With the three channel you could move it father away from the power...
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  • dhart86
    dhart86 Posts: 1,594
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    tonyb wrote: »
    rednedtugent wrote: »
    I Get a b&k 2220 or a 4430 if you can't get a McCormack.

    This ^^^^ or a Parasound 1200 or 1500.

    pm sent
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,906
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    nbrowser wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    rednedtugent wrote: »
    I Get a b&k 2220 or a 4430 if you can't get a McCormack.

    This ^^^^ or a Parasound 1200 or 1500.

    tonyb, I'd have to agree, the 1200II has zero issues handling a pair of 4 ohm SDAs. It's scary good to be honest with the old girls.

    Yep, that's the one piece that set you on the path to become the monster that you are. :) ....a slightly more broke monster at that. lol

    Yet all amps sound the same and receivers are good enough for most home applications according to some.
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  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,765
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    I was using a B&K ST 202 with my 2B then went to the 200.2, the difference was dramatic. The 200.2 has not only more watts, but more current which is a huge factor.

    I was looking at some 1C's also in the beginning but the 2B's came along at the right price, also the amp requirements for the 1C if I'm not mistaken are about double that of the 1C.

    I would strongly suggest replacing the tweeters first, my SL2000 to the 198 swap was the single greatest change I made next to all fresh caps.

    I wouldn't try chasing a harsh sounding speaker with different amps until you get the new tweeters installed.

    Amps with alot of current are what you need.
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    I agree...new tweeters have arrived and I'm just waiting for my upgraded crossovers to finish my 1C upgrades :) Right now it looks like I’m deciding between the Parasound HCA 1200 II and the McCormick DNA .5. I realize the McCormick would be the superior amp but it seems that the Parasound has good synergy with the Polks.
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,073
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    I'd take the McCormack over B&K or Parasound. IIRC you can even send them to Steve McCormack to have them upgraded. I own a B&K because it was cheap.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Well I decided to save some money and buy the Parasound HCA-1200 II. I will still be on the look out for a McCormick Deluxe .5 if anyone has a lead but I think this will be a god match for the 1C's
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,182
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    I still use that amp with my other Sda's and they are a great match. Congrats on the Parasound.
    2 Channel
    Polk 1.2tl's Modded with dreadnought
    Musical Fidelity M6Si
    North Star Intenso Dac
    Auralic Aries Mini Streamer
    Oppo 103
    Pangea PC
    Wireworld Equinox 7 interconnects
    Wireworld Equinox 7 Speaker Cables and Jumpers

    Backups 2.3tl, Crs+ pin/blade with stands.Monitor 5 peerless,Monitor 4 peerless,Polk R200,McCormack Dna 0.5 Deluxe McCormack Dna 1,Dared Sl 2000A,Dayens Ampino Rogue Magnum 66 pre
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Thanks dkfreebird
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,182
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    If you can,get you a tube preamp and you will be set.
    2 Channel
    Polk 1.2tl's Modded with dreadnought
    Musical Fidelity M6Si
    North Star Intenso Dac
    Auralic Aries Mini Streamer
    Oppo 103
    Pangea PC
    Wireworld Equinox 7 interconnects
    Wireworld Equinox 7 Speaker Cables and Jumpers

    Backups 2.3tl, Crs+ pin/blade with stands.Monitor 5 peerless,Monitor 4 peerless,Polk R200,McCormack Dna 0.5 Deluxe McCormack Dna 1,Dared Sl 2000A,Dayens Ampino Rogue Magnum 66 pre
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Any flavor in particular I should be on the look out for?
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,182
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    I'm running a Dared Sl 2000a.It is a nice entry level pre and you can roll different tubes to get the sound you like.I've learned lot from the folks on here and it just keeps getting better.
    2 Channel
    Polk 1.2tl's Modded with dreadnought
    Musical Fidelity M6Si
    North Star Intenso Dac
    Auralic Aries Mini Streamer
    Oppo 103
    Pangea PC
    Wireworld Equinox 7 interconnects
    Wireworld Equinox 7 Speaker Cables and Jumpers

    Backups 2.3tl, Crs+ pin/blade with stands.Monitor 5 peerless,Monitor 4 peerless,Polk R200,McCormack Dna 0.5 Deluxe McCormack Dna 1,Dared Sl 2000A,Dayens Ampino Rogue Magnum 66 pre
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Thanks for the help
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • dkfreebird
    dkfreebird Posts: 1,182
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    Sorry just read one of your previous post about using tubes before and using half and half music and movies.I'm running two different systems.
    2 Channel
    Polk 1.2tl's Modded with dreadnought
    Musical Fidelity M6Si
    North Star Intenso Dac
    Auralic Aries Mini Streamer
    Oppo 103
    Pangea PC
    Wireworld Equinox 7 interconnects
    Wireworld Equinox 7 Speaker Cables and Jumpers

    Backups 2.3tl, Crs+ pin/blade with stands.Monitor 5 peerless,Monitor 4 peerless,Polk R200,McCormack Dna 0.5 Deluxe McCormack Dna 1,Dared Sl 2000A,Dayens Ampino Rogue Magnum 66 pre
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    Its all good...I may just experiment with tubes in the future
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,839
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    A very nice tube pre for not much, a used VTL 2.5. You can thank me later. B)
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,134
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    F1nut wrote: »
    A very nice tube pre for not much, a used VTL 2.5. You can thank me later. B)

    Looks to be in good condition
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,839
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    26 bids with 9 days left.....idiots.
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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    That looks like it could get pricey.
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,839
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    They usually sell in the $800 to $1200 range used depending on age and condition. I believe it is still a current product.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • sfosselman
    sfosselman Posts: 184
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    I'll keep an eye on it...thanks ;)
    Polk SDA 1C Upgraded, Eastern Electric Minimax Supreme DAC, Parasound HCA 1200ii, Belles 21a Preamp, Rotel RSX-1056, Matricom G Box Q, Blue Jean & Signal Cable interconnects, Sonographe SG-3 TT, Panamax M4300-PM
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