Amps and Receiver
03SONIC
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Need some help. Here is what I have. RTIA9's, CSIA6, Fxia6 surrounds and a SVS pb12 plus sub. I was thinking of running a Emotive XP2 for the fronts and Emotive XPA3 for the center and rears but I see many say these amps are bright for music. Any other suggestions for amps and receiver would be helpful. Thanks Fellas
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What AVR are you running?
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Could be too bright, depending on the acoustics of the room. If you have a live room with tile floors or a vaulted ceiling, then it's gonna be too bright. I would consider a multichannel amp from B&k, Outlaw, or Parasound if I were you, just to be safe.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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Another amp to think about is from Sunfire. Also, since you will be using separate power amps, have you considered a surround sound preamp? I used to use a Pioneer Elite AVR as my preamp but I currently use a Marantz AV7702 surround sound preamp. Took my system up a couple of notches.
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Another amp to think about is from Sunfire. Also, since you will be using separate power amps, have you considered a surround sound preamp? I used to use a Pioneer Elite AVR as my preamp but I currently use a Marantz AV7702 surround sound preamp. Took my system up a couple of notches.
I have not, what kind of power should I be looking at something like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunfire-Cinema-Grand-Signature-400-W-5-CHANNEL-AMP-/262136047030?hash=item3d0886a5b6:g:1N0AAOSwo0JWQSgU I was looking at this receiver as well http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marsr7007/marantz-sr7007-7.2-125wpc-4k-airplay-a/v-receiver/1.html what do you guys think? thanks fellas.
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It isn't likely that the amps would have anything to do with "brightness." Virtually all of them have an audibly flat frequency response. That sort of thing comes mostly from the room calibration software in the processor. If you want to reduce brightness just adjust the low treble down about 3 db or so. That should do it.
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what do you guys think? thanks fellas.
I think it is probably a fairly trivial choice. Most home audio installations never dissipate more than about 20 watts per channel with subs in use. If you are one of those who listen very loudly then anything in the 80 to 100 watts per channel is way more than enough.
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The benefit of having a powerful amp drive your speakers has nothing to do with volume and everything to do with sound quality and ensuring that your speakers are operating to their full potential, and the vast majority of todays receivers just cannot accomplish that.
If that Marantz has all the bells and whistles that you want it to have, get it. Then look on Audiogon or other venues for Sunfire, Rotel, B&K, Nad, Outlaw amps. That Sunfire will keep your current speakers and any other speakers you buy in the future running quite happily for years.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
It isn't likely that the amps would have anything to do with "brightness." Virtually all of them have an audibly flat frequency response. That sort of thing comes mostly from the room calibration software in the processor. If you want to reduce brightness just adjust the low treble down about 3 db or so. That should do it.
Wow, how many different amps have you heard? Either you're inexperienced or a troll. -
The benefit of having a powerful amp drive your speakers has nothing to do with volume and everything to do with sound quality and ensuring that your speakers are operating to their full potential, and the vast majority of todays receivers just cannot accomplish that.
Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. There is a strange belief among audiophiles that unused overhead is something more than unused overhead. But it isn't. It is simply unused. As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.
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The benefit of having a powerful amp drive your speakers has nothing to do with volume and everything to do with sound quality and ensuring that your speakers are operating to their full potential, and the vast majority of todays receivers just cannot accomplish that.
Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. There is a strange belief among audiophiles that unused overhead is something more than unused overhead. But it isn't. It is simply unused. As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.
ACTUALLY.....your wrong, again.
Must be comforting to know....
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Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. There is a strange belief among audiophiles that unused overhead is something more than unused overhead. But it isn't. It is simply unused. As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.
If this is true then I think I will sell my 600 watt mono blocks since I rarely have them pushed to the limit. What was I thinking when I purchased them? Sure could have saved some cash.....
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The benefit of having a powerful amp drive your speakers has nothing to do with volume and everything to do with sound quality and ensuring that your speakers are operating to their full potential, and the vast majority of todays receivers just cannot accomplish that.
Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. There is a strange belief among audiophiles that unused overhead is something more than unused overhead. But it isn't. It is simply unused. As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.
ACTUALLY.....your wrong, again.
Must be comforting to know....
So you think unused power dissipation capacity has an effect on sonics? I would truly love to read your explanation for that since it flies in the face of the laws of physics. -
Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. There is a strange belief among audiophiles that unused overhead is something more than unused overhead. But it isn't. It is simply unused. As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.
If this is true then I think I will sell my 600 watt mono blocks since I rarely have them pushed to the limited. What was I thinking when I purchased them? Sure could have saved some cash.....
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03SONIC, please ignore fmw as he is a troll.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I simply responded to a post03SONIC, please ignore fmw as he is a troll.
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If you are one of those who listen very loudly then anything in the 80 to 100 watts per channel is way more than enough.
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This is probably the worst advice I've seen on this forum. Have you tried 03Sonic's RTI A9's with various AVR's and power amps. I have had the A9's for 3 years and still have them. I started with an AVR and then moved up to different amps.
I agree with F1, "03SONIC, please ignore fmw as he is a troll."
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Seriously? Here we go again. Go back to avs man. Stop polluting threads.2 channel:
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Another amp to think about is from Sunfire. Also, since you will be using separate power amps, have you considered a surround sound preamp? I used to use a Pioneer Elite AVR as my preamp but I currently use a Marantz AV7702 surround sound preamp. Took my system up a couple of notches.
I have not, what kind of power should I be looking at something like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sunfire-Cinema-Grand-Signature-400-W-5-CHANNEL-AMP-/262136047030?hash=item3d0886a5b6:g:1N0AAOSwo0JWQSgU I was looking at this receiver as well http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marsr7007/marantz-sr7007-7.2-125wpc-4k-airplay-a/v-receiver/1.html what do you guys think? thanks fellas.
I use a newer Sunfire tga7401. It will run any speaker with ease. I ran a full 7 channel theater with 4 ohm lsi speakers and barely broke a sweat. That amp would be good for many years of enjoyment. I also use a marantz, in my opinion they are a very nice combo.
When I bought my Sunfire I used it to power rtia9, csia6, fxia4, and rtia3. And really enjoyed it before moving on to lsi speakers. You will notice a marked improvement with the marantz/Sunfire combo. Love the added features of the marantz and it is so easy to use and set up.2 channel:
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It would be a treat if you would follow your own advice.
And risk that someone might buy what you're selling? Nah, isn't going to happen sport.
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The benefit of having a powerful amp drive your speakers has nothing to do with volume and everything to do with sound quality and ensuring that your speakers are operating to their full potential, and the vast majority of todays receivers just cannot accomplish that.
Actually they can in the vast majority of home audio cases. ... As long as an amplifier is not clipping, it is driving the speakers to the indicated volume level regardless of how much power dissipation capacity it has. A 50 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts will drive speakers just as well as a 200 watt amplifier dissipating 20 watts.This blanket statement is simply not so for so many cases because it represents an extreme simplification of amplifier performance. The concept that all audio watts are not the same essentially covers this.
OK, we are disagreeing on numbers. No question that some home audio systems need more power than a receiver can provide but I'll stick with my "vast majority" comment. In my view all watts with inaudible variance from flat frequency response, inaudible noise and inaudible distortion are exactly the same.Amplifiers have different engineered designs and provide different technical results. Some may be similar but many are quite different. No design is perfect and there are tradeoffs made with every design.
Sure. Many tube amps, for instance, have audible harmonic distortion. I have a an amp that has an audible bass boost. But these things are in a small minority. Most modern solid state amps perform transparently. That is a good thing.Speakers represent a complex load with varying impedance over the audio frequency range. Audio output from an amplifier represents a complex source that is influenced by the source input ahead of it, the design of the amplifier, and the speaker load.
Yes but our tests showed that these issues weren't audible with good quality solid state amps.As cfrizz notes, audio sound quality differs between different amplifiers. Gain, audio fidelity, linearity, fast transient response, frequency response, impedance response, phase coherence, a minimization of distortion and noise, etc. are characteristics of the changing current and voltage (watts) of amplifier output.
Yes if those parameters are in the audible range. Obviously not if they aren't.How these characteristics are treated by a given amplifier design are among the factors that distinguish the performance of one amplifier from another.
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Once more fmw's lack of intelligence and experience shows glaringly. But thank you for continuing to confirm that you are merely here to be a worthless troll."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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[/quote]And fortunately most amplifiers are free of signature sonics. Most of them are quite transparent these days.[/quote]
Please list the amps that back up this theory. Please include any white papers and testing.
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And fortunately most amplifiers are free of signature sonics. Most of them are quite transparent these days.[/quote]txcoastal1 wrote: »
Please list the amps that back up this theory. Please include any white papers and testing.
Thanks
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Request denied. I have no interest in converting you to anything.
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And fortunately most amplifiers are free of signature sonics. Most of them are quite transparent these days.txcoastal1 wrote: »
Please list the amps that back up this theory. Please include any white papers and testing.
Thanks
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Request denied. I have no interest in converting you to anything.
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Wasn't asking you to be converted just wanted examples. I thought these examples may help these others that "you feel" needed help as you have stated that was reasoning for your posts.
If you can't provide this information I feel your statements are just hearsay to these others that are inquiring for this information.
You are starting to sound a little "thin skinned"2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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I'm not thin skinned at all. I just don't care about your opinion in the same way you don't care about mine.
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But I am "just trying to help others"2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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By all means, help others.
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He was mocking you, Troll. Clearly sarcasm is lost on you."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
