PB2-Ultra Pic

Dr. Spec
Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
edited March 2004 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
Here's a low-res 576x432 shot of the PB2-Ultra. I might link a few high-res shots to my website later.

Astute observers may recognize a grey-stone PB1-ISD peeking out in the back corner. This guy is currently undergoing some testing for an upcoming review.

Nice match for the distressed pine floor, eh?

Doc
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"

Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
Director - Technology and Customer Service
SVS
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    looking good Doc, I liked the mercury red myself.. but that matches your floors well, did ya hit the lottery? 2 svs's how cool is that!! LOL Have fun
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited March 2004
    That's not Doc's, faster...unless he started calling himself 'this guy.' Although I definitely think Doc should do professional sub reviews. :)
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  • gacole2000
    gacole2000 Posts: 255
    edited March 2004
    Nice match Doc, as you suspected. What is that hiding to the left of the PB1?

    Beauty is the beast!
    AVR: Yamaha RX-V661
    DVD: Yamaha DV-C6480
    BR: Samsung 1600
    Mains: Polk RT55 (bi-amped)
    Center: CS300
    Sides: FX1000
    Rears: RT/FX
    Subs: SVS 20-39 PC+ 12.3 & DIY SVS 12.2
    Projector: Optoma HD70 w/ 106" Elite Screen
    Power: Panamax MAX 5100
    Remote: Harmony One
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  • gatemplin
    gatemplin Posts: 1,595
    edited March 2004
    That is the best looking OEM sub I have ever seen. I am looking forward to the full review. Congrats Ed.
    Graham
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited March 2004
    fireshoes, IMHO Ed does do professional reviews and I can't waite to get my read on with his next!

    BTW... does everybody see Ed owns the BEST speaker ever built?

    ;)

    HBomb
    ***WAREMTAE***
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by Dr. Spec

    Astute observers may recognize a grey-stone PB1-ISD peeking out in the back corner. This guy is currently undergoing some testing for an upcoming review.


    Doc

    Fireshoes, I think he meant this guy as in, this sub.. Not this guys sub.. i could be wrong though.. :)
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited March 2004
    A friend bought two $600 class subs, and one is the PB1-ISD. The other is an Hsu STF-3 (hiding just out of the photo). I convinced him to buy both since I couldn't tell him which was better without testing and hearing them first hand. He is a musician in a band and knows what sounds good, so clearly his opinion will weigh heavily in the decision, but so will the test data. It's been fun so far.
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    wow your all subbed up!! over there... I just figured the Pb1 was yours also because you mentioned wanting a sub for upstairs if i remember right.. Let us know how that ultra sounds.. so is it leaps ahead of the +, or more in quality drivers, larger amp and a great wood finish moreso then louder??
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • kberg
    kberg Posts: 974
    edited March 2004
    Nice Doc, REALLY nice! As faster said, give us your impressions asap.
    Mains: polkaudio RTi70's (bi-wired)
    Center: polkaudio CSi40 (bi-wired)
    Surrounds: polkaudio FXi30's
    Rear Center: polkaudio CSi30
    Sub: SVS 20-39 PC+
    Receiver: ONKYO TX-SR600
    Display: JVC HD-56G786
    DVD Player: SONY DVP-CX985V
    DVD Player: OPPO DV-981HD 1080p High Definition Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with HDMI
    Remote: Logitech Harmony H688
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  • pjdami
    pjdami Posts: 1,894
    edited March 2004
    Looking really good there Doc. Congrats. Looks like the American - Antique is a gorgeous finish as well. That would have been my second choice for my PB1+. Looks like you changed your mind over the black color you originally wanted. I think that was a great decision. Looks totally effin awesome.

    Amazing how you just plop that bad boy in the most convenient location there between your tv and speaker and get a flat response after some tweaking with the phase control and such. You have an acoustically perfect room for bass based on some of those FR sweeps you have posted.

    Hsu STF-3 vs. PB1 sub man that's a long awaited review for sure plus you have the equipment and savoir-faire to do it right.

    Have fun!

    Paul
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited March 2004
    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188443

    This thread shaped up pretty nicely over at HTF. Several listener impressions over there.

    Yes, I'm glad I didn't go with black; this color is so perfect for the room.

    Thanks, Paul. The spot between the TV and the left main does have a mild null between 40-60 Hz, at least it did with the PB2+. It sure fits nice there, though. We'll see what the Ultra brings in the same spot. Might react differently.

    The left front corner where the PB1-ISD is located is actually best for room acoustics. And you're right, I am lucky to have overall a really benign room.

    We're done testing/listening to both $600 subs. Look for the report over at HTF in a few days, and I'll hot-link it here.

    Ed
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Hey doc, see my thread on the denon ext in. subject, for you.. need some help from ya, Thanks
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited March 2004
    Hey Doc - quick question. May have been asked before but I have been scarce on the forum - can you make me choose between the PB2-ISD and the PB2-Plus. What is going to be the BIG difference between the two??????
    THANKS!!!!!
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Until Doc responds, 300 more watts of power, 2 better 12" drivers.. I think the amp is basically the same.. Im sure it has a few Db's over the pb2-isd... I just got the pb2-isd and Eric at SVS said it was close to the plus model and far as bang for buck go's.. However for 300 bucks more im sure Doc can tell you ALL the goods and betters about the 2,
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited March 2004
    Thanks Faster - but is it worth the extra 300 bucks is what I am contemplating.................
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited March 2004
    Well...

    You get what? A wood finish... more power...... better drivers...

    yes, worth 300 bucks if money isnt an issue.

    PC Ultra is one to consider to, that 580 dollar driver! w00t
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited March 2004
    Thanks - the PC Ultra IS interesting but I am not really interested in the tubes.....
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited March 2004
    With the kind of room setup you have, the tube looks very elegant...... You can always buy it, dont like it - send it back.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    With the kind of room setup you have, the tube looks very elegant...... You can always buy it, dont like it - send it back.
    I agree - but for the price between these two - I believe you are getting more with the PB2-Plus but the PC footprint makes it attractive.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,647
    edited March 2004
    My Dad's room is HUGE....

    when I say huge, I mean it opens up from a den, to a hallway, two dining rooms, a kitchen.....and the PC Ultra fills every bit of it up......very powerful sub.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Scott, the 1200 buck plus doesnt have a wood finish, only the 2400 buck sub does, The pb2 + has black just like mine and i was told unless you have a huge room and desire better drivers the Pb2-isd is almost alike to the plus and 300 less, Nothing against the pb2 +......... but going from a polk 1200, which i heard was pretty impressive.. I still think the Pb2 isd or + will make your head spin..... I have a 12 foot small room for now and this thing can hit 120 db easy.. not even pushing it.. Good luck and Doc will clue you in alot better than I
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • scottvamp
    scottvamp Posts: 3,277
    edited March 2004
    Thanks for the input faster.......
    I really like the "musical" aspect of these subs - makes them also very attractive.
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    No problem, I love my SVS pb2, i played LOTR Ring drop scene today and hit like 116 db , If i remember right... awesome!!!!
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2004
    Next question has to be:

    Two (2) PB2-Plus or One (1) PB2-Ultra ?
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Well you had better have a large room for 2 anything in the pb2 line IMO, all 3 pb2's are going to be similiar.. grant it the wattage go's way up, and the Ultra that Doc just received has Great 12" upgraded drivers, and a peq on the amp.. they are all the same layout, 2- 12" 600 - 1000 watt amp. tuneable amp with port plugs, and 3 - 4" ports.... and only the top lines have the wood finish with stain..
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • kberg
    kberg Posts: 974
    edited March 2004
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    Next question has to be:

    Two (2) PB2-Plus or One (1) PB2-Ultra ?

    I'd say two PB2-Ultra's would be the ticket. ;)
    Mains: polkaudio RTi70's (bi-wired)
    Center: polkaudio CSi40 (bi-wired)
    Surrounds: polkaudio FXi30's
    Rear Center: polkaudio CSi30
    Sub: SVS 20-39 PC+
    Receiver: ONKYO TX-SR600
    Display: JVC HD-56G786
    DVD Player: SONY DVP-CX985V
    DVD Player: OPPO DV-981HD 1080p High Definition Up-Converting Universal DVD Player with HDMI
    Remote: Logitech Harmony H688
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  • Dr. Spec
    Dr. Spec Posts: 3,780
    edited March 2004
    All three will have the same extension capabilities, but the PB2+ will have an edge in clean output capabilities, and the PB2 Ultra will take that another step further.

    Going from the PB2-ISD to the PB2+ will give you a 2-4 dB jump. Going from the PB2+ to the PB2 Ultra will give you another 1-2 dB jump. So going from the PB2-ISD to the PB2-Ultra will give you a jump in the 3-6 dB range.

    The Plus is the hot rod muscle car of the line-up. It's got the dB-12's and the triple 4"ports but still retains the inexpensive black enclosure. If you are going to go sick every now and then in a medium to larger size room, the Plus is the WTG. It's a real brute and completely dominated dual VTF-3 in a recent SPOT shoot-out.

    The Ultra driver's are simply top dog but they cost a TON. Two bare TV-12s cost almost as much as an entire PB2+. I waxed eloquent over at HTF about the SQ of the TV-12, so I won't reinvent the wheel here.

    And two PB2+ would beat a PB2-Ultra in sheer output, but that's simply not needed.......a single sub of either is enough for anyone probably up to at least 6000 ft3.
    "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

    Ed Mullen (emullen@svsound.com)
    Director - Technology and Customer Service
    SVS
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2004
    Agree.. my post was for grins just based on the same cost of the options.

    Read the full length of the htf thread. Very nice write up and I'm looking forward to more. Please notify and link us as promised Doc...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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