How hard of a sale was it ?
leftwinger57
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If any of you guys, gals can remember going into the way back machine, how hard of a sale was it to get a new pair of SDAs of any flavor. Going back I know I did not have $1,000 or $1,300 minimally for a set of speakers whether or not they were VERY placement critical. Do any of you going back, have any idea what the pitch was or just a listen or 2 was it for you. Me, I barely could get my hands on Criterion 100s so high end was out. KLH, Rectilinear High Boys, ESS Heil AMT -1 or Dalhquist D-10s were out of my reach no less the speakers of every den AR-3a
2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
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The sales pitch was the SDA effect and how we hear things. The price was towards the higher end but still not out of reach. Have to remember too, in the way back time machine the speaker world was a lot smaller. Today, it's exploded.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
When I purchased my first SDAs in 1989, I simply walked into the shop in Mountain View, CA, listened to a pair of SDA SRSs (I don't know which version they were -- original, 1.2s, or 1.2TLs) driven by Perreaux electronics (SA 33 pre & PMF 5550 amp) and a Sony CD changer, and I was sold.
My wife wisely questioned whether we had the space for the "monsters." Hence, we purchased the 1Cs, Sony CD changer, Perreaux SA 33, and a smaller Perreaux PMF 2350 amp with all required cables an interconnects (whatever the sales guy recommended; then, I had no idea cables made an appreciable difference).
I used this system happily till a two or three years ago when I decided to get a pair of those SDA SRSs I passed on ~25 years ago and began my plunge down the rabbit hole!Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
Mine weren't new when I bought them. I just remember my neighbor saying " I want these out of my basement", so I bought them and talk about knowing nothing about them, I knew less than that. I only bought them because of their size and how many drivers there were in each.
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@oldrocker someday I will have to have you come down to Indy to hear my system to get your thoughts.
I wish when I had the 2.3s here I listened to em a bit more..."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I lived in a rented double -- an up-and-down duplex -- in 1990 and bought the SDA-SRS 2.3. I shortly thereafter bought a house with a bigger living room room for bigger speakers. The local high-end Polk dealer had a policy that you could trade in any component within a year and get 100 percent credit toward a more expensive model -- speakers or other components -- and the dealer would sell the trade-in as used or a demo. So in 1991 I paid the difference for the upgrade to the 1.2TL. I still had the boxes and uncompleted warranty paperwork for the 2.3s. The salesman said, "These look brand new. I think I can get full list for these." Those were my bachelor spending days. I, too, have no specific memory in my short ownership of whether the 2.3s sounded any less impressive.
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EndersShadow wrote: »@oldrocker someday I will have to have you come down to Indy to hear my system to get your thoughts.
I wish when I had the 2.3s here I listened to em a bit more...
Anytime your schedule works, it would be my pleasure and afterwards maybe we could swing by Getchells place and see what new "goodies" he has found.
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Lots of tire kickers back in the day. I mostly sold 1C's because they were a little more reasonable. We had the big boys set up properly and using Nakamichi gear, PA-7; CA-7; OMS-7 to run them.
One thing it did was sell more Polk speakers because if someone couldn't afford SDA's, they were always impressed and that trickled down for sales of regular Monitor series. I sold a lot RTA8's and RTA11's after a 15-20 minute SDA demo. Every once in awhile I'd actually sell the SDA's on the spot.
I couldn't afford them back then either, I was in school and on a limited budget. At the time Polk accommodation for a salesman was like 50% off, still I ended up buying RTA-11t's because it was all I could afford.
I only remember a handful of people walking away unimpressed by an SDA demo. Those were usually Bose owners or buyers.........lol.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Just an aside "how do you pitch a pair of 30,000.00 speakers"???
Listened to thesr at a club meeting. The sound (had i purchaced them
LOL) would have made me suicidal. How do you tell someone that spent 30k "your system sounds like ****". In all honstly the system was just set up totaly wrong from source to placement. But showed me money aint everything!Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable -
FWIW - These arent't the big boys, but I remember hearing a set of M10's in the very early 80's and a set of 7's when stereo shopping and absolutely loving the sound, really knowing even then that I was hearing something I hadn't heard before... but realistically, as a high school kid, they were 2x the cost of the crappy Pioneer everyone else was buying at the time and I didn't bite cause I couldn't afford them.
I think it was probably a tough sell, unless you were of an age and means to afford them - which is not unlike today's environment. Today, I'm just of a means to afford them and bring them up to date - which is why I am enjoying modded 1'c - If I had the room for them, I'd have already bit on Emlyn's 2.3's!!VA HT HK AVR20II, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Polk Audio RC80i / Polk Audio CSi3, 60" Panasonic Plasma, Nordost / Signal Cable A2 / Wireworld / Pangea / Magic Power
VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
Polk SDA1c modded
Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
SACD Marantz DV8300
Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
Yamaha YP-D6
Soundcraftsmen PCR800
Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
Pho-700 Phono Pre
Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's -
I remember back in the day when my dad purchased the SDA SRS's, that I recently sold. He said it was not real difficult for the salesman to make the deal. I think he had more trouble with the CFO (mom). He was a regular at the Audio store (Arnold and Morgan), some may remember if you know the DFW area.
When he brought them home I thought "Holy Sh**". That's when the bug bit me and has not let up since - 30 years later. My dad just shakes his head now when he visits my place and listens to my setup.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables -
I lived in a rented double -- an up-and-down duplex -- in 1990 and bought the SDA-SRS 2.3. I shortly thereafter bought a house with a bigger living room room for bigger speakers. The local high-end Polk dealer had a policy that you could trade in any component within a year and get 100 percent credit toward a more expensive model -- speakers or other components -- and the dealer would sell the trade-in as used or a demo. So in 1991 I paid the difference for the upgrade to the 1.2TL. I still had the boxes and uncompleted warranty paperwork for the 2.3s. The salesman said, "These look brand new. I think I can get full list for these." Those were my bachelor spending days. I, too, have no specific memory in my short ownership of whether the 2.3s sounded any less impressive.
I used to do that a lot with Circuit City.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
BLING is right, they were the most beautiful cabs I've seen! The shame is how they were set up. Literally every thing that could have been done wrong was. I have know idea how they could sound due to the mistakes he made in the sources, equip, placement, and room treatments. Basicly bought a whole bunch of expensive equip through it all together and expected it to sound great cause it cost so much. No serergy at all. Like taking a bunch of pretty paint tossing it in a bag shaking it up and pouring it on a canvas and expecting a Picasso to appear.Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable -
Leftwinger, my first set of speakers were Rectilinear Hi-boys. Damage to the bottom of one of the cabs in shipment and I got a damage claim that almost paid for the speakers. I wish I still had them, sounded real nice.
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Later, I was back in school and on an extremely limited budget, but I remember going to a favorite stereo salon just for kicks and listening to Polks and thinking there was no way I could afford these.
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Leftwinger, I had owned a pair of ESS HEIL AMT-B speakers for about 5 years when I got a chance to hear the SDA/SRS2's in 1987. Sold the ESS speakers ( I think for about $500) and put the money towards the Polks.
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My friend just came into an insurance claim and kinda went wild w/ his audio picks. McIntosh 2105, Mac C-28 pre, Mac mx117 tuner, a Dual 1229 and those ESS Heil AMT-1a pyramids. The thing w/ both those speakers and Ohm/Walsh models the hoods were huge dust collectors, but boy did they sound great w/ the Heil tweeter and a 12" passive in the rear and a 12" speaker up front. Huge footprint but great sound. Shown below not the shape of my friends but you can get the idea.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESS-Heil-AMT-1B-speakers-/181754781727?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a516de01f2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E
H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-
Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc