My first dvd-A player

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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited March 2004
    It's cool, rockman, I'm just confused about how upsampling creates a kind of cure-all here. If that's the case, couldn't you upsample mp3's and get DVD-A results also? If you could upsample at a high enough rate?

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,757
    edited March 2004
    Good question. I don't know for sure, but if the MP3 wasn't compressed as hell, I think you could upsample it with good results.
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited March 2004
    It should be noted that the upsampling process, which can at best do no better than the essentially similar oversampling process, as explained here , can't actually increase the theoretical resolution present in a CD. Both processes simply artificially raise the frequency of the matter which has to be filtered out, allowing the use of a much gentler filter with little or no harmful effects. Oversampling to accomplish this(typically now 8X, resulting in 352.8 KHz)has been used in all CD players for about 20 years.

    As to the relative merits of DVD-A and SACD, both of course are digitally compressed formats, as compared to the uncompressed CD format, but they use more bits and/or higher sampling rates to gain at least a theoretical edge in resolution. SACD with 1 bit sampled at 2.8224 MHz in theory has the slightest edge over a DVD-A with 24 bits sampled at 96 KHz, while a DVD-A with 24 bits at 192 KHz would have the theoretical edge. This is all very well, but quite possibly of little real significance. What may be far more important to us than bits and sampling rates are the recording techniques, mixing and mastering(or remixing and remastering of old recordings)used, regardless of what format it winds up on.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,757
    edited March 2004
    Ummmmm, no I disagree with your sampling figures and that article. If a DVD-A at 24/192 is better than SACD then why wouldn't a CD sampled at 24/192 be better than SACD? They are not.

    "Astonishingly, the upsampled CD sounded much closer in quality to the 192 khz master tape than I would have thought possible. The conventional CD was laughably bad by comparison."

    That is true and what else is true is that SACD sounds much better than anything at 24/192.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2004
    Nothing like reading a technical article, by a manufacturer, that essentially is there to merit their own gear. Useless reading.

    If SACD/DVD-A was exploding, which it certainly is not, MOON would be all over the bandwagon eventually.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Kind of a strecth from my original post :confused:
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • woodyjacobs
    woodyjacobs Posts: 706
    edited March 2004
    Yeah, no kidding.

    I hope you enjoy the player...I too have the old sd-4800 and it is a pretty solid performer (and was too cheap to pass up when BB was closing them out last year...although you paid a little less for your new updated version).

    Some DVD Audio discs that I like are:
    Metallica (the black album)
    Yes - Fragile
    Sinatra at the Sands
    Medeski Martin and Wood - Uninvisible (and if you like Jazz - well, you may like this...it is Jazz Funk with an emphasis on funk).

    Woody
    system 1:
    Athena: AS-F1 mains, AS-C1 center, AS-B1 surrounds, AS-P400 sub, Yammie RXV-730, Rotel RB-976 driving front stage, Samsung BD3600 Blue Ray, Denon DVD2900 for sacd/cd , jbl n24awII on the deck, samsung 40" 1080p lcd

    system 2:
    XBox 360 Spherex 5.1 system, HK DVD38, Phillips CDC 926 CD changer, Phillips 32" LCD

    2 channel
    NAD 1600 pre, NAD 2400 THX amp, Phillips CDC 926, Linn extra speaks, crappy TT
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2004
    Cool woody Thanks , I like it so far so good.
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC