Tube amp volume dial issue

boston1450
boston1450 Posts: 7,640
edited May 2015 in Electronics
Since new this Yaqin 30L tube amp when i turn it on within 3 seconds the volume dial turns up by itself. It goes up to about 8:30 or so.... I turn it completely down when powering it off. It seems to be ok BUT i figured id ask if this is normal. I went with this model for remote & very happy with it. Should i question the seller & maybe get a better understanding ? I can live with it. Dont want future problems.
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I have turned it all the way down with remote & also by dial (manually) it happens both ways.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,565
    Don't turn it down all the way and see what happens.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    I will try that. Just shut'r down. I always let it warm up for 30-40 mins before i listen to it. I will report back. Thanks
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,565
    Just an FYI, there's no need to turn the volume control down all the way when powering off.
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    Ask if it was modded in anyway..
    I'm on Facebook on a Yaqin group a friend of mine runs one, there are tons of guys doing DIY mods from guys posting how too's..
    Maybe yours got messed up a bit..
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    No idea. I bought it NIB. I just thought it be best to turn it all the way down. Maybe its telling me no :smile: i just powered it on with dial about 8:00 area & it still went to 8:30 or so. I will let it do its thing & turn it down a hair before i hit the play button. I dont listen to it loud & normal listening is around 9:00/9:30 on this unit
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    Randy, I'll contact my buddy and ask if there is a known issue with the volume on the 30L and report back if any..
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    Thanks. Im kinda curious if they all do it. Appreciate it
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    I was reading (yes reading-not sure if true) that if you turn down volume on solid state receivers all the way down it would help preserve the life longer on the caps/transistors or something like that. Im not sure if it was correct & cant recall where i read it. As far as tube amp. Im new & i figured maybe i should turn it down so it doesnt do any damage to anything. I hope sometime if future to learn more on tubes & get into something up the chain & weed out other old gear for new
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited May 2015
    It is programmed to turn itself down and then back up on power up. My Audio Mirror PP1 preamp does same move. It is a protection device to prevent powering on if someone has tweaked the knob wide open.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,565
    I was reading (yes reading-not sure if true) that if you turn down volume on solid state receivers all the way down it would help preserve the life longer on the caps/transistors or something like that.

    Pure horse poo.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    Thats what i thought
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    So if you turn it all the up and turn it off will it back to 8:30 when turned back on? If so, yeah it's programed some how.
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    I notice on my Yamaha 663 avr , I always turn the volume down to mute, ( which is about -70 dbs or so ), before powering down all external power amps and then turning off avr. When I power the system up later, turning on avr first before powering up all power amps, the avr automatically is at about -56dbs.
  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    edited May 2015
    If source was off & i went All The Way maybe/not sure. But id say that must be what its doing & suppose to, i guess LOL. I have never gone above 10:30 (which was last week when i tried it on the SDA's :smile: On the 11's i never go above 9:30. It will never go above 10:30
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    Randy I just copied and pasted what was said..
    Someone else said theirs does not do that..

    I don't have any circuitry for the 30L so I really cannot advise. Does it use the infamous 9149 remote control chip inside. More importantly does the motor drive circuit use a transistor bridge? I did a write up about the motor control circuit, all based on theory as I have never had the chance to physically look at it. I was trying to find the answer to the problem of motor 'hang', which made it difficult to finely adjust the volume control via the remote. I discovered possible future problems for the motor drive circuit used BUT as I have already stated, it was purely theoretical.
    If you fancy a read it is here:-
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lez/MC20L/MC20L volume control problem.pdf

    Page 5 shows where you could be having problems and the other bits of circuitry may help in finding perhaps an incorrect output from the 9149.
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited May 2015
    My volume that I spoke of will start turning the volume down immediately upon power on. If turned all the way up it takes 8 seconds to turn it down all the way and wait 2 seconds and then takes 2 seconds to come up to the 9 o'clock position. This all happens with the mute circuit in place the whole 12 seconds. No issue with the programming or function of this at all for me, as I turn the preamp on a few minutes ahead of listening for the tubes to preheat and settle.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    Interesting article. Thanks Jhayman, i will reread that again & see if i can make sence of it. I will pull out the manual tomorrow as wife is out like a light in recliner like usual & its in cabinet beside of her. It has done this since day 1& Ive owned it 2 1/2 months or so. Thank you & i will report back
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    My volume that I spoke of will start turning the volume down immediately upon power on. If turned all the way up it takes 8 seconds to turn it down all the way and wait 2 seconds and then takes 2 seconds to come up to the 9 o'clock position. This all happens with the mute circuit in place the whole 12 seconds. No issue with the programming or function of this at all for me, as I turn the preamp on a few minutes ahead of listening for the tubes to preheat and settle.
    . Ok. I just turned it up to 10:00 on dial. Turned amp on & it immediately went completely down all the way & 3 seconds later i hear relay click & it went up to 8:30. I messaged the seller i got it from. He has been great to deal with. I think its ok & its some kind of safety feature

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,565
    You've had it for 2.5 months, it's done it since day one and now you're asking about it!?! You're killing me here.

    Don't bother the poor seller, it's obvious it's working as it should.
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