Rti 10

rollrite2mel

Enjoy my 10"s, but high end is too bright and lacks any detail...Anyway to upgrade into the ring radiators, in the LSi m series, or something similar, that doesnt require a cross over change.

tonyb

What gear and cabling is matched up to them. Has a lot to do with that bright sound.

rollrite2mel

Thanks Tony,,,my problem is not bright, but detail..I'm running a Yamaha 7.1@110w per and HD cables . I'm coming out of Magneplanar tymphony iv, with Bryson electronics and monster cables.So I'm fully cognizant of matching equipment and speaker deficiencies..I'm in a condo now so have to make do with surround sound and good drivers and sound electronics. Llke the 10's but they fall apart once you get above upper midrange..I heard the ring radiators in the M series and there way better. However, they have a different cross over and not sure how they would work in th 10's

tonyb

The LSIM's are a better speaker. Yamaha and RTI's don't match up well imho, both a tad bright. Plus those 10's need more power to them to open up. The Yamaha Advantage series of receivers are a tad warmer and might be a better match. Never heard of HD cables, but something along the lines of Kimber 8tc would be my opinion on a warmer cable. Since your in a condo too, how loud can you actually play the 9's without the neighbors knocking on your door ?

The lsim's might be a better match for you in the end.

rollrite2mel

Tonyb...Thanks for your comment..Again, my issue is not bright, but detail in the tweeter..The silk dome tweeter is OK, but the ring radiator as found in M series is far superior, with regards to detail..My question, does anyone know, if it can replace the silk tweeters in the 10's, given the difference in crossovers?. Regarding cables and amps( I have the monster x1) the high ends are unlikely to be affected by more power and over priced cables, in a speaker like the 10's especially so that I have to be conservative with my sound levels..

mrloren

I have always found the 10's and 12's to need more power, that's why I have the 8's. When the 10's are hooked up to a good amp the come out but just to an AVR they are lacking.

deronb1

When i hooked up a parasound hca 1500a to the 12s, it did open them up and tamed the brightness a bit, but they were still a bit forward and not in a good way. That series is exceptional for HT, but if you are looking for more delicacy out of your tweets, changing stuff around probally isnt going to give you the sound you are looking for. I know of no replacement for the tweets.

tonyb

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Regarding cables and amps( I have the monster x1) the high ends are unlikely to be affected by more power and over priced cables, in a speaker like the 10's especially so that I have to be conservative with my sound levels..

Much to learn grasshopper....they indeed can make all the difference in the world. Ask anyone here who we have pushed Parasound or B&k amps onto their RTI speakers or had them upgrade their cabling.

It's about matching sound signatures of pieces of gear....including cables. The RTI's have a somewhat bright top end, matching it with a receiver or cable with also bright top ends will give you what ? A bright sound ? Matching them with an offsetting warmer piece of gear will tame town that top end. BTW....no...you can't swap a tweeter from the LSIM's into the 9's.

msg

How would you physically plan to get the LSiM "engine" to fit into the RTi10 cabinet? Were you planning a direct replacement or planning on modifying the cabinet? I'm not too familiar with the guts, but I think it's a combo tweeter and small mid?

What kind of use are we talking about? Music or HT?

To play devil's advocate here, I never got my RTi10s to work satisfactorily. They'd pull HT duty, but that's about it. I could never get comfortable with them for music. And I *really* wanted to like those speakers. I tried two different higher end AVR's (Pioneer SC series, Marantz), amps, preamps and a cheapie vintage receiver. The only thing that made them somewhat bearable was the old B&K amp (200wpc) and preamp, with the treble tuned back a notch, and the bass pushed a notch. And the old vintage receiver worked okay too, surprisingly.

Maybe cables would have resolved it - I never got that far. I just moved on to LSiM703's and I like them better. I'd say, though, that they're even a little bright, just not as bad.

I've tried going back to the 10's, just to see, even in a different space. They don't last very long. You might consider trying a different speaker instead of trying to fix a set that simply may not be agreeable to you.

tonyb

Personally I'm not a big RTI fan for music either, that's just me though. Thing is, every piece of gear from receivers to speakers, pre-amps and dacs, cables....has a certain sound signature which also varies between brands. To alleviate some perceived bad characteristics of one piece, you have to offset it with another, or combination of others.

That's not anything new or earth shattering, most audio people do that all the time. Trick is, you have to realize your limits on adjusting the sound before deciding if a piece is right or wrong for you. Most however have no idea how much the sound can be adjusted by proper gear matching, thus they blame everything in the way of bad sound on the speaker themselves.

This usually happens when people start on their upgrade path. Some simply do not want to believe any of this would make a difference aside from speakers. It didn't before, why should it matter now ? Right ?

If none of it mattered, this forum wouldn't exist....none of them would. That's why we retain a lot of members with actual experience with a variety of gear/cables that are well equipped to hand out advice on the gear that seems to work well together, and those that don't. It also allows you to save some wasted coin and aggravation.

Just something to chew on....take it for what it's worth.

isaact

I'd recommend a denon or Harmon receiver. I think they match up better with Polk rtis.

rollrite2mel

Thank you all for your opinions...To those who think amps like the Onyo Tx-nr838 are vastly superior to other high quality avr's and cables that are better simply because there more expensive then high quality types, your arguments are subjective and often not supported by scientific facts. The reality is, speakers like the RTi 10"s are limited and their price reflects that..Changing the electronics will have some affect, but unlike the truly high end speakers that cost thousands, designed to reproduce sound intricacies exactly as recorded will the affects of mismatched electronic be obvious. I posted originally that my previous speakers Tymphony 1v ( down sized to a condo) were from that world, where using the correct equipment was like putting the right tires on a high performance car. It took time to work through what made them special and ultimately the powerful Bryston's won out. When you talk about Pioneer and Onkyo and Sonos , I smile...Audiophiles as we were learned to avoid anything that would possibly dirty the sound, so equalizers that now help compensate for speaker deficiency's, were replaced with room modifications to enhance and strengthen the sound..Carrying all that power, cables were important, but we found out the difference between improved performance and hype and report after report now shows no discernible difference between the high quality stuff and the needless expensive...I would suggest those who have a note of arrogance, might want to rethink their positions..

jeremymarcinko

What he say....sounded like he said cables and amps don't make a difference...nah, that's crazy talk.

polrbehr

Arrogance? Nope, just plain old experience. Try this, try that, this might sound better, this might not...

I have owned these same speakers for years, and was amazed at some of the changes they went through by doing some simple upgrades. Better cables, newer AVR, adding an external 200w amp to power the fronts, etc. The differences were not subtle. It's been said to death, but everything matters.

rollrite2mel

I would suggest reading carefully what I said . I said the opposite of what you concluded, but for those who didn't understand, I'll restate it differently.. This is forum on Polk equipment, which makes decent speakers and those comments about changing good equipment for supposed better equipment is subjective, but if one finds it improving the listening experience, no one should argue that. However, until you invest in vastly more expensive speakers, will the change be come substantial..There's a difference between being experienced and being an audiophile..Electronics's like the Yamaha Aventage is an excellent choice for RTi 12"s , but wouldn't be able to power properly a Magnepan..Unless biamping is a reason for powering your fronts, a top quality amp like Bryston @$5,000, would work better and produce a better sound, but obviously the match logically makes little sense.. I assume those replying have personal experiences that you share to help those not having them, but don't lose sight that ultimately it's the limitation of the speakers that matters, when deciding how to improve them.. In a A B test good quality cables,like Monster replaced with expensive ones,like Reality or AVR, like Yamaha 6160, replaced with a Yamaha Rx-A1010/Onkyo Tx-NR838, as example, would make only a nominal change ....My point, those contributing are doing their best to help and those who have poor electronics and standard speaker wire should heed their advise, but suggesting there are substantial changes to be had by improving good electronic and high quality cable, without a major investment, is bravado...

jeremymarcinko

You didn't come here for advice did you? Post one you said Rti's too bright and lacks details. Post two after receiving advice, your problem wasn't that they were too bright but only lacked details. You've gone from asking for advice about the ridiculous idea of putting lsi tweeters into the RTi's, to giving advice, while minimizing the experiences of those from who you asked.
Why?

jeremymarcinko

^^ I believe you are wasting your time offering your valuable advice here.

devani

you too.....

rollrite2mel

Didn't think there would be trolls on this site...Apparently jeremymarchinko is comfortable in that role. My original question, being , if anyone had put the ring radiators into the Ti 10, as I felt the domes lacked detail. Never said anything about being bright, until someone confused bright with detail. He seems to feel a question about tweeter change is ridiculous and now with obviously limited knowledge, given his equipment, of being a true audiophile mocks someone who has. Like all trolls, you degrade what otherwise are functional and useful sights..Go play somewhere else..

jeremymarcinko

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Enjoy my 10"s, but high end is too bright and lacks any detail...Anyway to upgrade into the ring radiators, in the LSi m series, or something similar, that doesnt require a cross over change.

Oh ...okay.

PSOVLSK

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Never said anything about being bright

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Enjoy my 10"s, but high end is too bright and lacks any detail...Anyway to upgrade into the ring radiators, in the LSi m series, or something similar, that doesnt require a cross over change.

jeremymarcinko wrote: »

Oh ...okay.

Can't wait for the reply to this. Should be good

mikeyb128

Well that escalated quickly!

teekay0007

mikeyb128 wrote: »

Well that escalated quickly!

That happens from time-to-time around here, mikeyb. Nice pickup on your part, for a newb!

devani

Getting my popcorn ready!!!!

PSOVLSK wrote: »

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Never said anything about being bright

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Enjoy my 10"s, but high end is too bright and lacks any detail...Anyway to upgrade into the ring radiators, in the LSi m series, or something similar, that doesnt require a cross over change.

jeremymarcinko wrote: »

Oh ...okay.

Can't wait for the reply to this. Should be good

tonyb

devani wrote: »

Getting my popcorn ready!!!!

PSOVLSK wrote: »

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Never said anything about being bright

rollrite2mel wrote: »

Enjoy my 10"s, but high end is too bright and lacks any detail...Anyway to upgrade into the ring radiators, in the LSi m series, or something similar, that doesnt require a cross over change.

jeremymarcinko wrote: »

Oh ...okay.

Can't wait for the reply to this. Should be good

Better have some oxygen tanks near by, waiting for a response make take some time.

ZLTFUL

These threads seem to be becoming a weekly occurrence around here...

tonyb

ZLTFUL wrote: »

These threads seem to be becoming a weekly occurrence around here...

It's that darn bottled water I'm tellin' ya. lol

tonyb

DSkip wrote: »

I'm wondering if dresses need to be checked.

Fixed that for ya, and totally agree. Also volunteering for the job.