Dskip, just for you!!

erniejade

BTW great movie.

SCompRacer

Definitely a reason for a personal day or two.

audiocr381ve

Nice snag ernie! Can't wait to hear your impressions. And which preamp did you end up keeping?

I'm also upset that I missed these http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=129284.0

erniejade

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Why do they come out sideways? 1st. Excuese the mess. Its normally not like this but between changing out preamps on the last shootout, having the legacy and sda2.3 (in the background) its definatly not cleaned up. 1st the stands have to weigh in about 50 lbs each. They do mount kind of funny but it works.

1st. They dont suck. But I am not sure there for me yet. They are way more picky on placement vs the lsi9. They are a bit on the mellow side, extreamly easy to listen to, but sound a bit hollow. I really think its just placement. I am about 77" from them in the triangle.

I started them out at 7 feet distance from me, 6 feet appart. Moved them closer and the hollow started going away, moved the left closer to the wall to increase the bass. Ive listend to 3 cds. While they are open and clean, they also seem more forgiving. The lsi9 seem to dig a bit more information out but the mmm1 have a much wider sound like way beyond the speaker. . In my little room the mmm1 is good sounding but, I just dont have them dialed in right so its not fair for me to make any judgements just yet.

Lucky for me the sale included herbies isolation slider feet so that helps a lot more to move them around.

erniejade

Moved the left 2 feet from the wall but it puts me 61" from them but the hollow sound is gone. Verry easy to listen to thats for sure. Listening to america sacd and chicago VI sacd on the cayin tube and it sounds Very clean.

For right now im using the parasound so I can try them with and without the sub and crossover. Over the weekend I will change to the ar sp16.

Even though they are close and closer together, the do throw a wide and deep soundstage. To be continued.

erniejade

They do not like being close to the wall. In other speakers I have had, closer to the wall puts more bass but with the m1 in my room ( again excuese the mess of swapping of preamps, speakers, speaker cablesvfor the last few months, hard to keep it buttoned up ) but in this room it made them sound hollow. Btw they do have a L and R lable on the back of the speaker.

Skip I do have a few more cables to check out. Im using all dh labs right now. I have some aq type 4, dougs alpha cables,. I sent the mit s1 back.

tonyb

I think Skip has a point, your going to have to play around with some cables to find a better match. The ones you have now imho are holding them back. Man, that small room is crowded.

erniejade

Yep it is. I have the legacy up for sale and waiting for my friend to pick up the 2.3's for about a year. He paid for them but hasnt come to take them. He has 1.2's in one room of his house and putting the 2.3's in another room. As you guessed it no kids lol.

The pics were taken from where I sit. Part of the room acoustic issue I think comes from what you see in the pic. The built in stand and bookshelf is knotched about 8" out of the back wall. Thats is where all the bass seems to be caught at and doesnt go forward. Just hangs out there. If I move the right speaker beyond that cutout part, it kills the sound. There isnt enough room in the room to have both to the right of it. I have flipped the room several times and tried the speakers on the left wall of what you see and again where you see by the bookshelf and stands is where the bass is. Im not sure how to put bass traps in there. On the right side of the room, that opens up to the hall, then a window and the door to the garage. Unless I rip out the bookshelves and put my couch there and put the speakers on the wall where I took the pic..??

I am completely open to try different cables. Ones I have tried in the past, several aq. Types, bens silver ( I might still have a couple laying around) mit ic's and speaker cable. The last mit I tired was the 1s shotgun. Some old AR stuff, dougs speaker cables startrd with the bi and have a set of alpha's in my possession right now. Whats next on my list to try? Im open.

tonyb

Analysis Plus, Cardas Golden cross, maybe PNF.....for starters, used of course, new this stuff can kill ya.

erniejade

Thanks. I will check out some pnf stuff. The dougs alphas were much brighter on the legacy vs his other regular bi-wire. Totally different animal. Almost too bright actually. I need to do more burning on them. I have about 200 hours.

erniejade

News. I am open to cable changes but, I have put the dh labs up against a few and they have done well. Maybe not always the champ but not hollow or thinner sounding. Tyler acoustics and a lot of other brands use dh labs for wire. So while I am open to change and I am definately not one of thoes people that say this and all else sucks, I wasnt satisifed in just thinking it was the cable itself. I do want to try out more cables. I find that stuff fun. Sooo wtf am I getting at?

This one is kind of my fault. Remember my McIntosh 402 has 2 / 4 / 8 ohm taps. Legacy and lsi 9 are 4 ohm. If anyone ever buys a set of m1's do NOT put them on the 4 ohm tap. Horrible thin soundn. You will think why do people like them so much. You will question other peoples ears and sanity. Soooooooooo

8 ohm huge difference. Much fuller.

erniejade

Much better. Now they have a lot more body. Not hollow. Now placement and cables. And room treatments

erniejade

LOL skip. I might take them down to a local audio place here that has the joseph pulsar. See how do they against them for fun.

erniejade

While they are sounding better so far i cannot get them to sound right. I an email to evo and Jonathan Tinn actually answeres the emails himself.
He actually recommended the 4 ohm tap
"> I would recommend using the 4 ohm tap, but certainly listening to the
> 8 ohm tap to hear which you prefer would also be recommended.
>
> Please let me know which you like better.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jonathan Tinn
> Evolution Acoustics
> (503) 221-0465


So I let him know the 4 ohm tap on my rig make them sound hollow and thin and the 8 ohm tap sounded much more fuller. I then asked about cables, what they recommend is "There is a company that makes speaker cables called Aural Fidelity. We've used them at shows and they sound really really good."

This week I am going to swap out and see if the arc sounds better with them. I had another thought. Since i am the 3rd owner ( i think ) I wonder if something is out of phase on them. I am having one heck of a time trying to get my sub intigrated into them. I even tried 180 phase and that helped but, still not right. I tred 30,40, 50 hz. Still not right. Then it got me thinking, maybe someone removed a woofer or something to see what they look like and hooked it back up out of phase... That could cause some of the weird effect I am hearing.

erniejade

Thats why I am wonderig about out of phase. I had 0 issues intigrating the velodyne spl 1200 with the legacy, Lsi9, or even when I had the Jm labs 815, Tyler's, Vandersteen, 10B's 2.3's.... yep I have been though a few since I moved my rig out of the basement.

So having the weird hollow effect, ( yes on 8 ohm it is more full but, still off) makes me wonder if one of the 4 woofers is out of phase. In the past I have read threads where people's SDA were out of phase as well as on the carver board with the amazing .. And since I am not the original owner.. And the previous owner kept saying about them not being dynamic, makes me wonder if the owner before him maybe took a woofer out to look at and put it back in out of phase. It kind of adds up to that. BTW they can play loud in that room but, just not sounding right. its funny as you can hear something special about them but, it's not right or hollow effect. So if out of phase would make them sound like that or not dynamic since they would be fighting instead of working together.

Tonight or tomorrow before I go un-**** them, I am going to disconnect one of the speakers and see if the sound changes. Then hook it up and disconnect the other one and see if the sound changes or anything is different, if so, there is the issue. It would make sense why I have the sound I have, and having a heck of a time getting the sub to get integreated with or without using the crossover on the P5.

erniejade

Update. Nothing out of phase. They are just a little picky on placement. Hollow gone.
They do have a much bigger sound vs size when you look at them. They throw one heck of a wide soundstage. The speakers disapear in the room and throw way beyond the physical location. They are detailed and will bring out the nasty of a bad recording. They are just a bit bright for my taste.

Doug, thanks for the help on some of the placement to get rid of the hollow sound. He helped me out via a few emails.

Now for my taste, because they are a bit on the brighter side, Doug is sending me some differnt alpha cables to try out to see if they help tame them down a little bit. VS the LSI9 and my legacy, they are much brighter but, that is most likely cable matching. I tried putting in RCA 3mica into the pre and they were still bright so, it has to be cables.

erniejade

Anyone following this might want to check one of my old threads I brought back from the dead. http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/160322/room-treatments#latest