Adding a Pre-Out to an Integrated Amp

skrol
skrol Posts: 3,387
edited June 2014 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
I have an under utilized Marantz PM-5004 integrated amp that I have had trouble parting with as it is really a sweet sounding little amp. The only problem is that it just is not powerful enough. I imagine the its big sisters are very nice. Me being cheap and all and since I already that the PM-5004, I am pondering the possibility of adding a Preamp Output and connecting to a power amp to drive the speakers. I have the service manual and it looks like it could be fairly simple. I have also compared it to the Marantz big sister which has Pre-outs. They simply tap between the preamp and main amp, leaving the main connected.

Is it that simple or am I missing something?

Thanks
Stan
Stan

Main 2ch:
Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

HT:
Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

Other stuff:
Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited June 2014
    skrol wrote: »
    They simply tap between the preamp and main amp, leaving the main connected.

    Is it that simple or am I missing something?

    Thanks
    Stan
    Yes and since you have the schematic it should be easy to find the proper take off point.
  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited June 2014
    Another easy, less permanent, solution to your quandary would be to use a Carver Z1 Wide Band Coupler. It's a little black box (about 1.5" x 1.5" x 2") that Carver used to sell for just this application. It had four wires (inputs) on one end that you'd connect to your speaker outs from your integrated amp, preout-less receiver, etc. and RCA outs on the other end that you'd connect to your power amp inputs. It would put out an attenuated signal through the RCAs similar to what a preamp would do.

    I used to have one of these in an old rig I had. The integrated was rated at 40 WPC and I was trying to drive my Monitor 10s with it. With the Carver coupler between the integrated and a 105 (or 150?) WPC old Kenwood amp, the 10s sounded really sweet, clean and effortless!

    The Carver couplers are now kind of hard to find and I don't know if anyone else makes them, but they do show up from time to time on that auction site.

    Couple of pics from Google:

    http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/196891
  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited June 2014
    I've seen that sort of thing for car audio but never for home. Actually, I don't mind going with a permanent fix. I just want to do it nice and right.
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited June 2014
    Can you post the schematic from the service manual?
  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,387
    edited June 2014
    I got the service manual from here. http://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/marantz/pm5004.shtml

    They have other similar models too.
    Stan
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited June 2014