Wiring mono block amps

VCoak
VCoak Posts: 200
edited March 2014 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
Hi guys,

Newbieeeee ???, I am looking at using mono block amps for my sda 1.2's. I am confused on how to run the speaker wiring.

1. Do I need bi wire speaker cable? or just my stand cable
2. Do I need to remove the jumper?

BTW the amps are W4S SX-1000. Pic's help out much...

Current system is a Adcom GFA 5500 amp, Adcom GFP-750 pre-amp with a dreadnaught due to adcom not being common ground.

THX
mco
W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,563
    edited February 2014
    doesn't just the SDA cable run trough the dreadnaught? Amps to speakers and common ground through dreadnaught?
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    Currently yes. But the W4S mono's are not common ground and the negative posts can not be strapped
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,563
    edited February 2014
    correct mono blocks are not common ground. I was meaning that with the dreadnaught you're picking up a common ground WITH the dreadnaught. How many binding post on DN 4? Sorry man just trying to help I went back and looked though pages on the DN build and seen where Ray had his DN in front of his speakers so I may have wrongly assumed that amp to speaker binding post and the common ground was picked up from the DN.

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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    Thx Pit, I believe moosebach68 is using mono block with a dreadnaught.
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited February 2014
    You hook up mono blocks just like a stereo amp. Left channel +/- to the left speaker, right channel +/- to the right speaker. You must use the Dreadnaught.

    You can bi-wire, if you want.

    Replacing the stock jumpers with high quality speaker cable is always an excellent idea. Of course, if you bi-wire, you remove the jumpers.
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    As always CP'ers to the rescue. I can not say enough from the fine folks that have answered my questions. :)

    mco
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    Not sold on bi-wiring. Trey is is building my crossovers. Went with the Gimpod upgrade with wiring, caps, inductors and new sda cable. Then new rdo-198's.
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,652
    edited February 2014
    Bi-wiring is simply running 2 sets of wires to each speaker. Typically from the single set of amplifier outputs to the top and bottom binding posts on the speakers.

    This is not the same thing as bi-amping which is far more complex, involves multiple amps, an active crossover and bypassing the passive crossovers in the speakers (if active bi-amping).

    Think of bi-wiring as just using a much longer set of jumpers.
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    BTW, I spoke to Clint from W4S. Their mono amps can not be strapped FYI. (SX- models). I am leaning towards them more and more.
    Thanks everyone.
    mco
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,652
    edited February 2014
    As long as you have your Dreadnaught, there is no need to strap the grounds. The whole purpose of it is to make SDAs usable with non-common ground amps.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,563
    edited February 2014
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    As long as you have your Dreadnaught, there is no need to strap the grounds. The whole purpose of it is to make SDAs usable with non-common ground amps.


    Correct as I said before "you're picking up common ground with the dreadnaught" you have a pin/blade interconnect cable. The pin is the SDA signal the blade just goes to ground(negative binding post) in the speaker. That is why when you make a new cable AND USE a common ground amp there is not need to make a blade on the new cable...BUT that blade now carries the ground plane with the DREADNAUGHT so that is why you need 2 binding post on both sides of the dreadnaught. One is the signal one and the other ground....
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited February 2014
    Thx, Z & pit... It is one thing to add but understanding how and why is even more important. Thus giving me more insight in understanding and tweaking my system to squeeze out the best.

    mco
    W4S SX-1000, Adcom gfp-750, Polk 1.2tl, W4S DAC 2 DSDse, 2012 mac mini (mod), JRivers ver. 19, WD Cloud NAS 2 t.b., Monster Cable AVS-2000 signature, Doug's Alpha I/C & Doug's biwire 6' speaker cables
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2014
    VCoak wrote: »
    BTW, I spoke to Clint from W4S. Their mono amps can not be strapped FYI. (SX- models). I am leaning towards them more and more.
    Thanks everyone.
    mco

    Correct. Strapping a W4S amp is a bad idea as they use ICEpower modules for amplification, and those have a balanced output; +1/2 positive and -1/2 negative instead of +1 positive and 0 negative.
    Jake
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  • Oldfatdogs
    Oldfatdogs Posts: 1,874
    edited March 2014
    Be gone esteamshower.Reported!
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  • villian
    villian Posts: 412
    edited March 2014
    bump
    Too many good quotes to list..waiting for some fresh ammo. :)
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