Does anyone use equalizers anymore?

joeparaski

WOW Treitz3....you just described my situation to the tee. You are correct, I rarely just sit down and have a listening session. The main rig is mostly movies with occasional listening, and then again, only for a short time. I've got too many things going in my life (all good btw) and simply don't find "quality" time with my system. However, I do listen to what you experts have to say and at some point I will rewire my system and eliminate as much unnecessary stuff as possible and see how much of a difference it makes.

Thank you again, as well as other comments on the use of eq's.

Joe

lanchile

I do not use or have tone controls, equalizer or balance control in my diy integrated amplifier. The shorter the path...the better!
I do not like to "pollute" or "change" the original audio signal. I know some people still use this things to "adjust" sound.
I find it very funny when I see someone using an equalizer and the set up in both channels are different...they just make "mountains" shape with equalizer and see the light show!!! and do not have idea what is Hz, Khz or db on the equalizer.

maximillian

msg wrote: »

so that link - those are plans for building the preamp? have you begun that project yet? I'm going to have to read up on that some. I had to read it twice to get the gist of what it's supposed to do.

It's a simple buffer pre with manual volume control. I have built in but no enclosure. There's other ways to get to a "short" signal path, even going passive. However, I wanted a relatively constant output impedance regardless of the volume setting, so it needs a buffer.

I'm thinking of either buying this guy's electronic switch/volume control:
http://www.akouo.at/select-volume/select-volume-module.html

and hooking it up to the Pass B1. This board is pretty straightforward and he seems to have done a good job with it. I do want to put some type of display on it, but I am picky in this area and will probably roll my own. His board also lacks subwoofer out and HT bypass, so I will research modifying the setup for those features. Not sure if I will roll in a phono-pre or buy off the shelf and simply bring in the input to Akouo's board.

A little more info on the board:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analog-line-level/220792-muses-72320-electronic-volume.html

I started doing this project a year ago using the PGA2320 chip but got side tracked. Now I am trying to pick it back up and just read about the Muses digital POT and decided to switch.

I won't mention more on this thread since I don't want to thread jack. When I am ready to share the design for critiquing I will post on this site's DIY forum.

Polkie2009

I'm guilty of using an eq , an Antimode 8033S on my subs. I'm sure it does take away some of the impact, but it does even out the low end.

leftwinger57

I've seen a bunch of SAE equalizers all over C/L over the years I never went for one usually around $20 because 1.I don't need another device 2. Been told it adds noise and those slider switches do get dirty.3 I find my Onkyo P-301 does more than enough for me.

steveinaz

As your equipment and listening space improve, you'll find less and less need/desire for EQ. IMO, they should only be used when all other options have been exhausted, and then ONLY USED CORRECTLY. Subwoofer EQ's are a totally different thing.

But hey---it's YOUR system, YOUR money.

Msabot1

leftwinger57 wrote: »

I've seen a bunch of SAE equalizers all over C/L over the years I never went for one usually around $20 because 1.I don't need another device 2. Been told it adds noise and those slider switches do get dirty.3 I find my Onkyo P-301 does more than enough for me.

. That Onkyo pre is a dandy little piece of equipment....I use one in my mix...

msg

treitz3 wrote: »

Glad to have made you laugh. I've unfortunately had speakers before that all I wanted to do with the tweeters is skip them across a lake as hard as I could.

lol

treitz3 wrote: »

Now see, in your case, an EQ wouldn't be such a bad thing. Off axis listening rules out any imaging or sound staging so that becomes a mute point. If it's only background noise

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Perhaps I missed it but what are you trying to change to make your current speakers more listenable to you? In other words, why do you feel the need for an EQ in your system.....what do you want to change? Also, what speakers are we talking about here and from what source(s)/gear are they being fed?

Tom

man, Tom, this is freakin' fanTAStic information! and your other post, too! thanks for taking so much time to share! I'm pretty much brand new to any sort of quality system build outs, so I'm getting quite an education here. and I thought this forum was all about speakers at first...

well, I never really stated what I was trying to change, so you didn't miss anything I was really just curious as to why EQ's have all but disappeared, as I came across a few in some recent searches for other Parasound gear on Ebay. however, as nbrowser stated earlier on, I was having a spot of trouble with some RTi10's I just bought a few weeks ago, or at least thought I was. lots of different factors at play I've been learning. they're settling in a bit, and I'm making some progress on getting my system built out properly now (Halo C2 and Parasound 2205 on the way to address AVR/pre/pro and power issues), so I'm looking forward to seeing how they work after that. really though, they're not so bad with a little tone adjustment - just a -2db in the treble with the second hand Pioneer VSX-521-k I picked up from a friend to use while I shop my first real system.

so, source is typically a Squeezebox Touch over optical through the Pioneer VSX-521-k boasting a stout 80w/ch to the RTi10 speakers. I've just recently added the CSi5, as well. depends on the music. rock and/or anything that's typically known for screaming highs is pretty bad with this current setup. it's listenable now, but not for extended periods, I've found. anyway, applicable to this particular situation, if I were stuck with just this, I would probably try an EQ given the circumstances described above (off-axis listening, background, non-critical, etc.), just to try to tame things a bit, and maybe pull out a little more midrange detail, but I'm going to try to set it up a little more properly and see how things go. I'd rather not throw in a piece if it's going to add noise.

to clarify, when people mention noise, or noise floor, are we talking about background air/hiss?

joeparaski wrote: »

WOW Treitz3....you just described my situation to the tee...
Joe

yeaht, me too Joe. I remember when I was a kid, just laying around listening to music, but it's been a long time since I've had the time for that. occasionally I'll sit around with tv on in the background with music playing over, and flipping through a magazine or doing some reading or something, but not like when I was a kid - reading liner notes and such for hours on end.

txcoastal1

Noise/noise floor
http://blog.prosig.com/2008/04/14/what-is-db-noise-floor-dynamic-range/

Msg, you can absorb all this daily, but you really need to get out to a Hi-fi store w/listening room (I know they are few and far between) or someones house with a good rig. Then you will understand the dynamics of this hobby. Once you hear true sound stage, separation and imaging from a 2-chnl system all the lingo comes to a head....and wow you're hooked.

Enjoy

PolkieMan

I don't use any Eq's Loudness or Tone controls

msg

txcoastal1 wrote: »

Noise/noise floor
http://blog.prosig.com/2008/04/14/what-is-db-noise-floor-dynamic-range/

Msg, you can absorb all this daily, but you really need to get out to a Hi-fi store w/listening room (I know they are few and far between) or someones house with a good rig. Then you will understand the dynamics of this hobby. Once you hear true sound stage, separation and imaging from a 2-chnl system all the lingo comes to a head....and wow you're hooked.

Enjoy

haha, yeaaaaaaah. I'm not sure I really want that. do I? hahaha
I hear ya though, and this is one of my great frustrations with researching gear - reviews and feedback and theory are all tremendously help, albeit academic, but it all boils down to the audio experience, and yeah, that's what I'm not getting. there are a couple of high end shops in the area. I'll go stop in, and maybe see if there are any local groups. good suggestion!

PolkieMan wrote: »

I don't use any Eq's Loudness or Tone controls

man, another direct-er!

mfg

It is a special-application EQ, but I've used the McIntosh MQ-107 environmental EQ with its companion McIntosh ML1C speakers. See interesting article by the system's designer, Roger Russel of McIntosh Labs: http://www.roger-russell.com/ml1cpg.htm

I was running this with a nice vintage NAD amp and bridged preamp, and don't recall any negative coloration, noise, or distortion, but DO remember what it was like to have nearly flat response down to 20 Hz. Pretty great rig.

Namikis

This thread has been an interesting read.

I am using a Carver C-19 as my pre, so I could use the tone controls in some situations to deal with a problematic source. In truth I keep the tone controls bypassed most of the time, because of the lower noise floor Jesse mentioned and because the timing just falls into place better (tighter imaging).

The use of RTAs with a calibrated mic to drive gentle use of the sliders in a good EQ is not mentioned here much (or the controls in a parametric eq). I have a 1/3 octave Yamaha pro eq connected to the Carver's processor loop 2. I have set the EQ based on readings from a Rane RA 27 RTA and found some improvement in sound (with some noise added, again the trade-offs). But there is something to be said for the gentle use of a good EQ to tame a room response curve. Any EQ adjustments must be made as small as possible and nowhere near the x-over point of the speakers for this to work. I am not saying it makes a bad room magically sound great, but it can make it sound better is some regards, in my experience ("better" being subjective of course, as we end pay a price in noise and phase shifts).

My perspective...

N

George Grand

Swapping tubes, swapping cables (speaker and interconnect) in and out, all tone control and eq to a lesser degree.

tonyb

George Grand wrote: »

Swapping tubes, swapping cables (speaker and interconnect) in and out, all tone control and eq to a lesser degree.

Very true Mr. Grand, but you also get some nice bennies along with that.

headrott

I would never use an EQ (of any type) in my system, but I do swap tubes in my system. Tubes add much more to a system than simply tone and frequency range, however. Soundstage, detail, and even imaging are all affected by tubes (as well as many other audible audio aspects).

tonyb

LOL....Tom's descriptions in post 61 remind me of..."You know your a Redneck when...." lol.

Phatattack

A good equalizer is more than a light show, my integra brought the flAt response I had been trying to achieve for quite some time....... Although the light show is pretty cool

Phatattack

Hmmmmm