SRS vs. SRS 1.2 vs. 1.2 tl

drumiv
drumiv Posts: 171
edited January 2014 in Vintage Speakers
I have a chance to get a set of 1.2's that have been "TL'd" What exactly does that mean? I have a set of the original SRS's ('85), and love them. All I've done so far is replace the tweeters. I'm not going to be able to keep both, so, is it a no-brainer, go for the 1.2's? Thanks for any advice.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited January 2014
    YES, albsolutely get the "TL'd" modded 1.2's! They are able to use the RD0-198's for the tweeters instead of the RD0-194 (in your original SRS's). The upgrade is fairly significant (to my ears) as the 198 tweeters are a fair amount better then 194's (IMO and a fair amount of others' opinions). It's a no-brainer if the price is a good one. That said, what is the price? :smile:
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    He's asking 1K. Toolfan66 did the x/o's for him. Money wise, the timing couldn't be worse, but it's not everyday these show. 2 set's in less than a year in my area?!
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited January 2014
    If Larry did the crossovers you know they were done right. If you've got the room, don't walk, run and get them.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    Agree with above. If you have the room for them it's a no brainer. $1000 is a great price for a pair that have been TL'd, especially by one of the esteemed members of the forum.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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  • Mr. Bubbles
    Mr. Bubbles Posts: 736
    edited January 2014
    I wouldn't call it a no brainer because they both do different things better than the other. I own both the SRS and the 1.2 TL and I love them both. The 1.2TL is more detailed and crisp (on the top end) The SRS wins on the bottom end. The mids are very similar yet still slightly different and i could not point to one being better than the other in that area.

    I don't believe the 198 tweet is any better than the 194. Thye are similar versions of the same tweet with a different impedance for use in different circuits. The 198 is just the on ethat goes in all of the TL's and the TL's were the last and supposedly best SDA's. That's why the 198's get the rave reviews that they do. It's not all just the tweet but also the corresponding circuit that creates the sound people hear.

    At any rate I would feel comfortable knowing that toolfan had done the x-overs. Though i do not know his work personally, from reading here, he seems to be very meticulous at what he does. that would be a major point towards the 1.2's. Tghis is assuming that the 1.2's have the 198 tweets (because they have been TL'd) and your SRS have the 194 tweets (since you replaced them) If yours do not have the 194's but still the standard SL2000's then you get much closer to an easy decision. In the end if you are able, i would purchase the 1.2's and then make a good comparison in your listening environment and then sell the ones you decide are the weaker of the two for your tastes.

    Good luck.
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,184
    edited January 2014
    Buy them.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited January 2014
    Those are the first SDA crossovers I ever did, way before Tony's boards were available. But with these coming with the RDO's and upgraded crossovers, it's a no brainier if you are looking at the big boys..

    Tweeters = $48 ea.
    Crossovers = about $250-$300 in parts..
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    Thanks for the replies. I even have the wife on my side. I told her she can pick the winner. Of coarse, now I'm getting no response from the seller. We'll see. I hope it happens, it'd be cool to have these guys side-by-side for awhile. The pair I let go, goes to my tech, so I'll still get to see/hear them.
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    Well, it looks like I'm still in. Yes, he did install the 198's. He also had an I/C made by "pepster", don't know if that's someone here, or a company. It's going to be tuff to give up the old ones, the came from the original owner, all receipts, ect. Pristine cond. I also love how low they go. My tech was impressed that they go down to 10 hz.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited January 2014
    Good news! Buy them now! Great price and it comes with Larry's re-done crossovers and one of pepster's IC's that's great news! Pepster was a forum member and made some great IC's and power cables, but is taking a break for a while. We hope he will be back eventually.

    Anyway, the seller is selling them for a great price with the RDO-198's, etc! Get em' now! :smile:
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    I'm tryin' !, I'm tryin' !.....
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  • Indyaudio2
    Indyaudio2 Posts: 127
    edited January 2014
    $1K is a steal.......bring some friends, these boys are HEAVY
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,120
    edited January 2014
    Well? Are you grinning from ear-to-ear?
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Well? Are you grinning from ear-to-ear?
    Not yet. I'm picking them up at 10:00 am.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    In order to maintain your good standing in the Polk Forum you'll need to provide pics :smile:
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    Pics will have to wait; I'm tech.-challenged, I'll need help. However, they are here. They were somewhat worse than described, cosmetically. All the cloth seems to be roughed up. The wood bases have water damage. No feet. I'm a wood worker, so I'm not sweating that. There appears to be a little mold around the passive on both. Against my better judgment, I bought them anyway. Now the good. They sound pretty-frickin' nice. So far though, they are not walking away with the contest. They also don't say "SRS 1.2" on them. The s/n are 5266,5275. Pin-blade configure. My original SRS's are mint, so these guys will really have to impress to stay.
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  • chandler9a
    chandler9a Posts: 878
    edited January 2014
    good to hear you got them home. I bought some of those for my father and we upgraded them together, its all worth it. I think I still have the feet somewhere, send me a pm with your address and I'd be glad to send them out to you. I will strongly encourage you to just spike them however.
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,184
    edited January 2014
    Congrats. Did the owner go into any detail about how he changed the tweeters to the RD0198's? It requires changing the white wire(female, negative) at the tweeters to a wider connector to accommodate the new tweeters's wider post (male). In addition, the 4 white tweeter wires that plug into the molex connector on the xover board must be removed and relocated so that all the white wires are on the +. The blue, red, green and yellow go on the negative (-) as shown below.
    12TLleftspeakerxover.jpg
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  • VCoak
    VCoak Posts: 200
    edited January 2014
    NUB ? but is it a good idea to tl 1.2's? I own a pair OG owner since '90. No changes ever done to them. Apologies if I hijacked this thread.

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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    michaeljhsda2 wrote: »
    Congrats. Did the owner go into any detail about how he changed the tweeters to the RD0198's? It requires changing the white wire(female, negative) at the tweeters to a wider connector to accommodate the new tweeters's wider post (male). In addition, the 4 white tweeter wires that plug into the molex connector on the xover board must be removed and relocated so that all the white wires are on the +. The blue, red, green and yellow go on the negative (-) as shown below.
    12TLleftspeakerxover.jpg
    He did. He explained about having to use a special tool to reverse pins, or something along those lines. He said he had trouble with that on 1 set, and just reversed the wires. We played them for quite awhile, and they sound darn good.
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2014
    It seems that one mans "Excellent Condition" is another mans "WTF". The cosmetic issues can be addressed, hopefully there is no internal bleeding.
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  • drumiv
    drumiv Posts: 171
    edited January 2014
    Yes, not entirely accurate with the description. However, it was my call to get them, or not. After hearing them, and considering how rare they are, it was a go. They will need all new fabric, and bases. Worst case I could(God forbid) part them out.
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