Trucks and Haynes announce they're leaving ABB

strider
strider Posts: 2,568
edited January 2014 in Music & Movies
Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes recently announced they are leaving the Allman Brothers Band at the end of the year. A link to the Rolling Stone article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/warren-haynes-and-derek-trucks-leaving-allman-brothers-band-20140108

That's gonna leave a mark...
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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited January 2014
    That sucks but I understand why. Haynes and Trucks are highly creative and, let's face it, the ABB isn't the greatest vehicle for their talents. Of course this is just my humble opinion.
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited January 2014
    decal wrote: »
    That sucks but I understand why. Haynes and Trucks are highly creative and, let's face it, the ABB isn't the greatest vehicle for their talents. Of course this is just my humble opinion.

    I think you hit the nail on the head. Until I read the article I didn't even know Gregg Allman was still kicking. I'd like to think ABB would take this opportunity to maybe bow out on top, not necessarily retire but move in another direction. We shall see.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    Watch, Dickey Betts will return to the band.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    I saw the ABB a few years back and was disappointed. As talented as these two are, I think they're making a good decision. I couldn't help but compare the show I saw with DT and WH to the original lineup at their peak, Live at the Fillmore East in '71. Something was missing, the burning passion and creativity weren't there.

    The thing that really shocked me was how bad Jaimo looked. He had put on ~ 100 lbs., and when it was time for the drum solo he got up from his set so another guy could take his place. Butch rocked on, but I felt a little shortchanged.

    And here's a piece of trivia: the nights those shows were recorded (eventually released on "Live at the Fillmore East" & "Eat a Peach"), the ABB was the opening act. Guess who the headliner was?




















    Johnny Winter And. I still consider their live album from the concert to be the equal, if not better than, any other live rock/blues album. Johhny's drummer in And, the great Bobby Caldwell, used to play quite a bit with the ABB as a percussionist and played with them that night. Dude must have been tired after playing for 6-7 hours!
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited January 2014
    nspindel wrote: »
    Watch, Dickey Betts will return to the band.

    Didn't ABB pretty much kick him out due to substance abuse issues? Last time I saw Betts play they absolutely tore it up, but I was under the impression there was some real bad blood between them.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,311
    edited January 2014
    I never really cared for ABB...
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    strider wrote: »
    Didn't ABB pretty much kick him out due to substance abuse issues? Last time I saw Betts play they absolutely tore it up, but I was under the impression there was some real bad blood between them.

    Watch. The bad blood will get pushed aside. The ABB needs a guitarist and Dicky Betts can't fill a tiny theater as a solo act.
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited January 2014
    Yeah, when I saw Betts play I wasn't expecting anything good. I'd heard horror stories about him being too messed up to play, forgetting lyrics and songs etc.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited January 2014
    Dickey didn't want to do anything different.He refused to even change the set list towards the end.
    That coupled with the drinking and anger issues got him fired.
    He would sit on the bus and refuse to go on stage sometimes.Once at Great Woods it took almost 2 hours past stage time to get him off the bus to play.
    Warren had already left once and did them a huge favor coming back.Im surprised he stayed this long.
    Derek is doing well with tedeschi trucks band and built a studio and getting into lots of production work.Also he doesn't want to be there sans Warren.
    Gregg is working on new solo stuff along with a movie of his life.
    Maybe a reunion show occasionally after this year but I'd say 45 years is it for the ABB.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    I'm seeing them at the Beacon on 3/18.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,917
    edited January 2014
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    I never really cared for ABB...

    Y'know...me, either... although, of course, such sentiments are oft viewed as heresy... sort of like saying "I don't care for Led Zeppelin".

    Wait, what? I never saw much in them, either, except excessive teen-aged testosterone...
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,132
    edited January 2014
    Maybe Warren can dedicate more time to Gov't Mule, the last couple of releases have been kind of bland. The Mule will be in Des Moines on the 19th of next month, I just might have to attend. I think Dereck And Susan have a good thing going on, as far as ABB, time to retire IMHO.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    brgman wrote: »
    Derek is doing well with tedeschi trucks band and built a studio and getting into lots of production work.

    I absolutely love some of their stuff, like Revelator. The new(er) album, Made Up Mind, is a mess though. The engineering and production make it sound like an AM radio, and make all the songs sound alike: no highs, no lows, very compressed, and recorded at a low level. Hard to hear individual instruments, and the songs are mostly boring. I hope they can get these issues sorted out (Derek is listed as a producer), cause that band has soooo much potential.

    Oops, sorry for the derail! Back to our regularly scheduled thread . . . . . . . . . .
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited January 2014
    gudnoyez wrote: »
    Maybe Warren can dedicate more time to Gov't Mule, the last couple of releases have been kind of bland. The Mule will be in Des Moines on the 19th of next month, I just might have to attend. I think Dereck And Susan have a good thing going on, as far as ABB, time to retire IMHO.

    Mule is a live band for all intents and purposes.The main thing i like about their studio stuff though is that they lay everything down on 2 inch tape and use tubed mic's so the sound (especially on vinyl) is nice.but i hardly ever listen to studio stuff since their power has always been the live show.
    This past Halloween and New Years they had Robby Krieger with them and did a slew of Doors stuff,and it's very well done.
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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 10,018
    edited January 2014
    This may open up Derek to more side projects, which could be a good thing. I saw Dickey Betts four or five years ago and he was great, but I've heard lately he may not have the road stamina so I wouldn't think he'd be rejoining ABB. In fact, I think I've heard some talk that Gregg's health status may not be good again and there is a benefit for him real soon I think I heard somebody say they noticed on the ABB site. This is all sounding like a you-better-come-and-see-us-now-while-you-can kind of thing....
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited January 2014
    drumminman wrote: »
    And here's a piece of trivia: the nights those shows were recorded (eventually released on "Live at the Fillmore East" & "Eat a Peach"), the ABB was the opening act. Guess who the headliner was?

    Johnny Winter And. I still consider their live album from the concert to be the equal, if not better than, any other live rock/blues album. Johhny's drummer in And, the great Bobby Caldwell, used to play quite a bit with the ABB as a percussionist and played with them that night. Dude must have been tired after playing for 6-7 hours!

    At the Fillmore East 1971, Mountain was the warm-up band, and The Allman Bros were the headliners. It was simul-cast on WNEW FM in New York, and I taped it onto a Vivitar stereo cassette deck. The Allman Bros. "Live at The Fillmore East" album was that show that I taped. Mountain would release their set onto an album some time later.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    George Grand wrote: »
    At the Fillmore East 1971, Mountain was the warm-up band, and The Allman Bros were the headliners. It was simul-cast on WNEW FM in New York, and I taped it onto a Vivitar stereo cassette deck. The Allman Bros. "Live at The Fillmore East" album was that show that I taped. Mountain would release their set onto an album some time later.

    And your cassette version of that show probably sounds better than some of the remasters that are out there!
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    George Grand wrote: »
    At the Fillmore East 1971, Mountain was the warm-up band, and The Allman Bros were the headliners. It was simul-cast on WNEW FM in New York, and I taped it onto a Vivitar stereo cassette deck. The Allman Bros. "Live at The Fillmore East" album was that show that I taped. Mountain would release their set onto an album some time later.

    George, you were there and I wasn't, but there's this: http://www.concertvault.com/the-allman-brothers-band/fillmore-east-march-13-1971.html See the 3rd paragraph.

    The concert you're referring to appears to be from June 1971, just before the Fillmore East closed. ABB Live was recorded from shows in March 1971.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited January 2014
    He didn't say he was there, just that he taped it from the radio.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2014
    nspindel wrote: »
    He didn't say he was there, just that he taped it from the radio.

    I meant he was there in the sense of being aware of the concert in real time in order to tape it.
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  • jacks2start
    jacks2start Posts: 98
    edited January 2014
    never been a big fan, but people come and go with many bands, hopefully the music doesnt suffer with whoever is in the band
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  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 10,018
    edited January 2014
    ABB will stop touring after this year:

    http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/gregg_allman_says_the_allman_brothers_will_stop_touring_after_2014
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited January 2014
    drumminman wrote: »
    I absolutely love some of their stuff, like Revelator. The new(er) album, Made Up Mind, is a mess though. The engineering and production make it sound like an AM radio, and make all the songs sound alike: no highs, no lows, very compressed, and recorded at a low level. Hard to hear individual instruments, and the songs are mostly boring. I hope they can get these issues sorted out (Derek is listed as a producer), cause that band has soooo much potential.

    Oops, sorry for the derail! Back to our regularly scheduled thread . . . . . . . . . .

    Agree Great lp so is their live one and they have another cd or 2. Hubby and wife combo and they sound darn good on studio cd's and even better live!
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited January 2014
    I saw gregg 1/4. He looked healthy and had good color. he was having fun. his vocals were vibrant as well. helps to be sober. i've seen footage where he was out of it. not these days. i would def see his show again
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