Desktop rig toe in??

hochpt21
hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
edited January 2014 in 2 Channel Audio
I've had my Audioengine A2's for a while now. When I set them up originally, I remember trying out a variation of setups and ended up with just a hair of toe in.

Yesterday for slips and giggles, I started messing around again and found that a toe-out actually sounds much better in my setup.

Maybe this is common/typical and I just didn't know, but I am interested if anyone else has similar experiences.

How are your speakers setup in your desktop rig?

Thanks,
Paul
2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • CCNJ
    CCNJ Posts: 384
    edited December 2013
    I have a slight toe in. I swear the sound comes from my monitor and not the speakers.
    Rig1 - Totem Hawks, Benchmark HDR, Parasound A21, Sonus, Samsung 52 LCD, Audioquest Type4
    Rig2 - LFD LE IV Integrated, Harbeth P3ESR, Rega Dac, MF V-Link, IMAC, Audioquest Type4
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited December 2013
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    I absolutely love the way my desktop set up sounds. I consider my placement outside the norm but I would have it no other way, huge staging (gigantic) and the subwoofer is hidden at the bottom.

    M Audio BX5D2 and a KRK 10" Sub
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,639
    edited December 2013
    We have our speakers 4ft apart toe in & it does a fantastic job - Rotel (verticle) rv555 & Monitor 4 series2
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited December 2013
    CCNJ wrote: »
    I have a slight toe in. I swear the sound comes from my monitor and not the speakers.

    I had the same thing with my slight toe. But when I toed-out, it kept the center image and really opened up the sound. Not all rigs are the same of course.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,766
    edited December 2013
    VR3 wrote: »
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    I absolutely love the way my desktop set up sounds. I consider my placement outside the norm but I would have it no other way, huge staging (gigantic) and the subwoofer is hidden at the bottom.

    M Audio BX5D2 and a KRK 10" Sub

    Dang dude, why don't you just wear a set of monster headphones?
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited December 2013
    billbillw wrote: »
    Dang dude, why don't you just wear a set of monster headphones?

    lol...I was thinking the same thing.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited December 2013
    To not toe in, is to not tune in. Nearfield listening requires toe. I kick mine in as I would any other loudspeaker.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited December 2013
    dorokusai wrote: »
    To not toe in, is to not tune in. Nearfield listening requires toe. I kick mine in as I would any other loudspeaker.

    Maybe I should attempt to bump my speakers farther apart (as they are directly on each side of my 15" monitor) and then toe them in? As they sit now, the toe out seemed to improve them fairly significantly. Granted that is with only about 8 hours of listening on them.

    The other issue is that I don't really have much room to bump them out.

    I will continue to try different placements tomorrow.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited December 2013
    It is really how they sound to YOU, not the keyboard losers like me. I can only relate my nearfield listening results...your findings can certainly vary. Hell, you might have a giant head or weird ears for all I know. If it sounds good it IS good.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited December 2013
    lol... I love it man, I crank it up to about 90db and just take it all in... crank out mods and jam to music, techno is a good work horse music!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,639
    edited December 2013
    Lmao thread :)
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited December 2013
    VR3 wrote: »
    882411_10151375769001238_318493684_o.jpg
    I absolutely love the way my desktop set up sounds. I consider my placement outside the norm but I would have it no other way, huge staging (gigantic) and the subwoofer is hidden at the bottom. M Audio BX5D2 and a KRK 10" Sub

    You have come a loooong way. I remember when your room looked like a direct hit.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2013
    VR3 wrote: »
    I absolutely love the way my desktop set up sounds. I consider my placement outside the norm but I would have it no other way, huge staging (gigantic) and the subwoofer is hidden at the bottom.

    M Audio BX5D2 and a KRK 10" Sub

    Ignore those other guy Trey... that is a SMOKING setup.

    Why did you go with the M-Audio over say the KRK Rokit 5's or 6's? Also how does the KRK sub sound? I have HIGHLY debated snagging some KRK's at some point for my computer as they are REALLY NICE.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited December 2013
    To be quite honest I bought the M Audio before the KRK. I got the KRK sub at a steal...

    I truly would not buy the KRK because of the stupid color of the woofers... as crazy as that sounds
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited December 2013
    VR3 wrote: »
    To be quite honest I bought the M Audio before the KRK. I got the KRK sub at a steal...

    I truly would not buy the KRK because of the stupid color of the woofers... as crazy as that sounds

    LOL. I liked their special edition that where ferarri red :smile:....

    Its the one time I think its OK to have colored woofers lol.......

    And its ok, we all have our OCD's...
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited December 2013
    Have to go with Doro on this. Although my computer rig is low-fi vintage. Two Minimus 7s powered by a Realistic STA-700 (successor to the System Seven receiver with an active equalization circuit specifically for M-7 speakers that really brings out their sound).

    They sit atop two slightly larger B-shelves I use as stands and to raise the Realistics to ear level. As per standard procedure, each is aimed at the L/R ear so as to form a nice triangle and tweaked by ear from there. So some toe but not excessive. The speakers themselves are three feet apart and probably close to three feet from the seated position.

    There are of course "better" configurations, amplification, etc. than this humble set up. But my God how CHEAP this is with fairly decent sound, even bass? Unless you really need to rock out.

    There are, of course, other more capable speakers and amps in this room for when I want to step it UP. But for everyday stuff the old Ratshacks do fine! And I can pretend I'm back in college when I would have killed to have had this as my system, in my room! Money was always short back then.

    Nostalghia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalghia

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited December 2013
    My TL3's are toed out slightly. They are sitting in back of my 22" monitor so I toe them out so the sound doesn't get totally blocked.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited December 2013
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    LOL. I liked their special edition that where ferarri red :smile:....

    Its the one time I think its OK to have colored woofers lol.......

    And its ok, we all have our OCD's...

    I am sure I could get used to it but I like the way the M Audio sound after break in. They sounded pretty terrible out of the box. The highs are still not that impressive to what I am use to but it works for me as it lets me listen more to the music versus the gear... :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,935
    edited December 2013
    I've wanted that KRK sub to go with my KRK RP6 G2s for a long time. Where did you find the good deal on it if you don't mind me asking?
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  • RamZet
    RamZet Posts: 792
    edited December 2013
    Im sporting some free Bose satellite speakers/sub with a Rotel pre and Rotel 6ch amp.
    Sometimes I use Samson a5 monitors too with a Sunfire EW10 sub.
    Currently I have been favoring my Logitech G35 7.1 headphones.
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited January 2014
    I've finally had the time to mess around with my desktop setup some more. I was able to bump them out a little more (about 24") and toe them in.

    I tell you what, might not make sense, but to my ears, in my little office, with my little speakers....I enjoy the sound more with a slight toe out.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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