FEELER: Rogue Audio 66 Magnum LSR Tube Preamp

aboroth00
aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
edited December 2013 in For Sale (FS) Classifieds
Thinking about putting my Rogue preamp on the block. Warm midrange with laidback highs, very tubey. Unfortunately my new Revel gem's are also very warm in the midrange and more laidback in the highs unlike my previous ribbon speakers which were more sharpish in the highs with a more analytical mids. Looking for something more along the lines of ARC or BAT now...that would complement the speakers better.

Still a fine preamp to anyone looking to jump into tubes. I purchased the amp from the original owner about 1.5 years ago and ran the stock tubes for a while. Rolled RCA clear tops 12au7, and Mullard CV4003. I liked the Mullards the most and will include all three pairs in the sale. I only listen to the setup on weekends so the tubes don't have too many hours on them. Only thing about Rogue amps is that they're picky with the tubes so you have to shell out a little more for non microphonic tubes, matched and low noise. The Mullards alone from Upscale Audio were ~140$ for the pair. I had to return a pair because of the noise from a channel. Rogue amps are notorious for this.

The preamp is silver and is the remote version without the phono stage. Separate power supply.

Asking 750 + ship +PP fees. Local pick up in 92841 always welcome.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    Pics? Would you sell without the tubes? I have a couple dozen pairs of 12AU7's and don't need the tubes. 12AU7's that are microphonic? Can't say I've heard that before.

    Does it only use 12AU7's? How many, etc. What does the "LSR" mean?

    I am interested.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited December 2013
    Herbie's tube dampers work well in the Rogue 66 pre. I've really not found mine to be all that picky on tubes, as far as noise and microphonics. The Rogue 66 uses a pair of 12au7 tubes. Sylvania JAN triple mica black plates sound really good in this pre.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,695
    edited December 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    What does the "LSR" mean?
    H9

    Line stage remote

    here ya go Brock

    http://www.stereophile.com/tubepreamps/289
  • usp1
    usp1 Posts: 207
    edited December 2013
    I just sold mine recently (mine had a phono stage as well). Very nice pre, mates especially well with other Rogue amps.
  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Pics? Would you sell without the tubes? I have a couple dozen pairs of 12AU7's and don't need the tubes. 12AU7's that are microphonic? Can't say I've heard that before.

    Does it only use 12AU7's? How many, etc. What does the "LSR" mean?

    I am interested.

    H9

    Excuse me, 12AU7's which are noisy have problems with this amp. Upscale audio has a particular test to test the tubes that would best fit Rogue preamps. I have no pics at the moment but I can upload pics when I return to my setup. It's pretty much in excellent condition. I would prefer to sell it with all the tubes because I won't be needing them after the Rogue is gone.

    -Will
    2Ch Tube Audio Convert
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    Well I am interested, but I really don't need nor want the tubes. So if you decide to sell it without the tubes, shoot me a price and pics when you get a chance. Any idea what mods were done to make it a Magnum? Red light or blue light indicator?

    Thanks

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    Internal pics would be great too, to see what's inside is a big selling point for me personally. Any idea of age. I suppose it could be anywhere from 13 years old to about 7 years old.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Line stage remote

    here ya go Brock

    http://www.stereophile.com/tubepreamps/289

    I saw that. I was searching using "Magnum" in the string and not much came up. Thanks

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,904
    edited December 2013
    would you be willing to sell the mullard cv4003's? if so how much?
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2013
    Marv, if he will not, I have some long plate halo getter Mullard 12AU7's that are phenominal if you are interested. They won't be cheap because of their rarity, but I will sell at a good price. Let me know if you can't get the CV4003's.
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Well I am interested, but I really don't need nor want the tubes. So if you decide to sell it without the tubes, shoot me a price and pics when you get a chance. Any idea what mods were done to make it a Magnum? Red light or blue light indicator?

    Thanks

    H9

    The Magnum 66 sports a larger power supply, extensively modded with high-quality coupling and output capacitors, along with Dale-Vishay resistors. Gold tube sockets were also installed. Blue light indicator. Here's a picture of the innards I pulled off a unit on Audiogon, http://d2heru13qkbk4q.cloudfront.net/media/327217/scaled/DSC_0011.JPG. As far as the age goes, I'm not sure. The unit came to me in immaculate condition and it's going to leave that way as well. It is not an upgraded version, but purchased as a Magnum to my knowledge, so it's newer than the standard 66 LSR. I hope that helps.
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    You can see the Mundorf MKP caps in the picture.
    2Ch Tube Audio Convert
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    headrott wrote: »
    Marv, if he will not, I have some long plate halo getter Mullard 12AU7's that are phenominal if you are interested. They won't be cheap because of their rarity, but I will sell at a good price. Let me know if you can't get the CV4003's.

    I have a pair of K63 R8L that are superb. (K63 indicating ECC82/12AU7 long plate halo w/2 support rods; R8L indicating made in Mitcham, 1958, L being the month of manufacture). Simply sublime.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    aboroth00 wrote: »
    The Magnum 66 sports a larger power supply, extensively modded with high-quality coupling and output capacitors, along with Dale-Vishay resistors. Gold tube sockets were also installed. Blue light indicator. Here's a picture of the innards I pulled off a unit on Audiogon, http://d2heru13qkbk4q.cloudfront.net/media/327217/scaled/DSC_0011.JPG. As far as the age goes, I'm not sure. The unit came to me in immaculate condition and it's going to leave that way as well. It is not an upgraded version, but purchased as a Magnum to my knowledge, so it's newer than the standard 66 LSR. I hope that helps.
    aboroth00 wrote: »
    You can see the Mundorf MKP caps in the picture.

    Thanks appreciate that. Looks like you might have a buyer for the Mullards. Does yours have all the things you mention as the Magnum upgrade?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    aboroth00, you have my attention and I am seriously interested.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Thanks appreciate that. Looks like you might have a buyer for the Mullards. Does yours have all the things you mention as the Magnum upgrade?

    H9

    I believe so... I would have to double check for you. I will try and gather as much information as I can and will snap some pictures when I can. As I had mentioned, I would like to gather some interest for the tubes, so I can move everything for the cash to upgrade otherwise I'd be out of a preamp. I have the original box but I will definitely shore up the box with my own packaging to make sure absolutely nothing moves. I am quite diligent with my packing as others can attest. I gave you a PM H9.
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    For the record, I am using the Rogue 66 with a Pass Aleph J and the sound is very tubey, warm, detailed and rich with a huge soundstage.
    2Ch Tube Audio Convert
  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited December 2013
    The 66 Magnum was my first piece of tube gear, I had it coupled with a Parasound HCA-1500A amp driving SDA's, my first real taste of sonic bliss.
  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    The 66 Magnum was my first piece of tube gear, I had it coupled with a Parasound HCA-1500A amp driving SDA's, my first real taste of sonic bliss.

    I popped my tube cherry with this preamp as well. I'll be sad to see it go.
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  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    Pulled the trigger on a BAT preamp, and this bad boy has to go. As up there asking 750+ship+PP for the entire package.
    2Ch Tube Audio Convert
  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2013
    You will love the BAT. They make absolutely great gear!
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,337
    edited December 2013
    headrott wrote: »
    You will love the BAT. They make absolutely great gear!

    Agreed, I love BAT gear. I love PASS LABS as well..
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  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited December 2013
    Throwing my hat in the ring...
    I am interested in your Pre if H9 doesn't end up getting it.
    I can do with or without the extra tubes.
    Let me know if I win :)
    :)
  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,341
    edited December 2013
    The Rogue is a fine preamp. I own one and love it!
    Carl

  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    PM sent
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • ALL212
    ALL212 Posts: 1,577
    edited December 2013
    hmm....very nice - should these interested parties all bail out I'd be tempted!
    Aaron
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited December 2013
    Sorry guys. This thing isn't getting past me.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited December 2013
    PM sent sent, INBOX cleared.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • aboroth00
    aboroth00 Posts: 1,106
    edited December 2013
    All pm's replied.
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited December 2013
    Hey Will, clear out your PM bucket.