Advice on Polk Monitor 5jr woofer surround and silver coil tweeter brightness issues

Pianist19
Pianist19 Posts: 28
edited November 2013 in Speakers
I bought these speakers a week ago. The mid-woofer on one of them has a torn surround. I tried gluing it back but that did not do the trick. Is there a source for surrounds for these? I have a extra surround from a Design Acoustics PS 6 which seems to line up but does not look like the original woofer surround. The speakers are listenable at low volumes but there is an occasional buzz from the cone which cannot stay centered. I hope I do not have to replace the woofer on these. Also the silver coil tweeter is too bright for me and is it possible to replace the tweeters with something smoother. The brightness sort of ruins what otherwise would be a great speaker. Any help appreciated.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2013
    Speaker positioning might help with tweeter issues, by using less toe-in. I assume your tone controls are set to flat/disengaged?
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  • Mystery
    Mystery Posts: 2,546
    edited November 2013
    Yes, you can replace the SL2000 with new RDO-194 tweeters that are smoother.
    RDO-198 can also be used with an additional 5.8uF capacitor.

    For the mid woofer, Polk may still have replacement woofer.

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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,661
    edited November 2013
    It would be cheaper to just either get a new driver from Polk or get the number off the back and buy one on eBay. As far as I know there are no replacement surrounds that I know of that are the same...
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited November 2013
    Pictures help a lot on a question like this. What kind of glue did you try?

    Check that the speaker is a Mw6502 new $48 last time I checked free shipping +tax now that your a "Club Polk Member".

    call Helen Yarbor

    Customer Service Rep / Parts
    Baltimore, MD. 21215
    1-800-377-7655
    Fax- 410-764-5470

    The tweeters replacement are as Mystery said much better than the 2000.
    You can spend a lot but you will find they are pretty good.
    It would not hurt to replace the 20+ year old capacitors and resistors in the x-over either


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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited November 2013
    There is no good way to repair the surround, replacement surrounds are not available, so just buy a replacement driver and get the RD0194-1 tweeters as well. All money well spent.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,001
    edited November 2013
    I don't think spending more money is on the OP's radar.
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  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    The glue I used is Alene's Tacky glue. This is the first time I have ever heard of a woofer of this size for which no surround is available. I am tempted to try a generic surround to see if it can keep the woofer cone centered. I have an extra surround from a Design Acoustics PS 6A speaker which appears that it might line up.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited November 2013
    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,391
    edited November 2013
    I permanently repaired a rubber surround on a car speaker with Stix-All and it worked out great. This stuff adheres very well and remains flexible. Just don't use globs of it or you will change the flexibility of the surround but you do want to make a good seal. The speaker design with the passive radiator must have a good seal.
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    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2013
    As F1 says, to smooth out the high end you can replace the harsh original SL-2000's with current replacement RDO194-1's,

    Or, you can really solve the problem and move up to the (same price) RDO198-1 by replacing 1 capacitor in each crossover.

    The only difference from your 5jr (that uses the SL-2000 or RDO194-1) and a 5jr+ (that uses the SL-2500 or RDO198-1) is a 12 uf cap in the crossover in the 5jr that can be replaced with a 13.5 uf cap to drive the superior RDO198-1. (Caution: replacement cap is not 5.8 uf as mentioned in #3 above)

    You can resell the SL-2000's to recoup some of your cost.
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  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    I just took the woofer out and it indeed as an MW 6502. It also says Monitor 5jr + on the woofer. Does anybody know how much the RD0194-1 tweeters cost? Guess I will reluctantly have to put some money into these.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,001
    edited November 2013
    LOL...."reluctantly" ? Didn't you know what was wrong before you bought them ? Didn't you listen to them first ? The new tweets I believe cost around 50 bucks, but you have to replace both or they will each sound different. That's 100 bucks right there. Maybe best to part them out and recoup your coin and move on.
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    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    I got these very cheap and only was able to listen for a minute as the seller had other offers. I have done several woofer surrounds and thought that this was a simple surround replacement issue. I had no idea that there isn't a commercially available rubber surround for this woofer. Although I really like the sound of the Polk speakers I have owned(Monitor 7's RT5's and these 5jr's), I have had woofer problems with all of them. I do have access to the following woofers if they are a possible match. The numbers are: MW: 5502, 6511 and 6512. Can anyone tell me if they are a match for the 6502?
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited November 2013
    The tweeters and the mid woofer are 48+tax free shipping for Club Polk members

    get this before it's gone

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLK-AUDIO-Monitor-Series-4-Replacement-5-5-Woofer-Mint-MW6502-Works-/261323686108?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3cd81b00dc
    POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited November 2013
    Can anyone tell me if they are a match for the 6502?

    They are not.
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,391
    edited November 2013
    There are some rubber surround repair kits out there. You may be able to match it up with the measurements and edge type.
    http://www.simplyspeakers.com/rubber-speaker-repair-edge-kits.html

    Also, the MW-6502 comes up from time to time in the FS section and on ebay.
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    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited November 2013
    POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    Thanks for the info, PolkieMan. I just bought the woofer from eBay. There was no link to the tweeters but happy I will now have a good woofer. Please let me know if there is a similar source for the tweeters.
  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited November 2013
    Pianist19 wrote: »
    Thanks for the info, PolkieMan. I just bought the woofer from eBay. There was no link to the tweeters but happy I will now have a good woofer. Please let me know if there is a similar source for the tweeters.

    See PolkieMan's post above (post #5) with the Polk CS info listed. That's where you get the new replacement tweeters for the SL-2000. The ones you want are the RD0194-1. They are a drop-in replacement for the SL-2000. They are regularly priced at $60 apiece +tax +shipping. As a Club Polk member (tell them you are when you call) you can get them for $48 +tax apiece with free shipping. Then, you can sell the SL-2000s to offset some of the cost of the new tweeters.

    The 194 tweeters haven't been available for that long and are usually bought for replacements/upgrades for the SL-2000s, so used ones aren't often available and if they are, they aren't that much cheaper than the new ones.
  • PolkieMan
    PolkieMan Posts: 2,446
    edited November 2013
    yes teekay0007 is right get the new tweeters they are so much better than the Sl-2000. Or you can get the RD0198-1 and with a minor cheap crossover change and use them, the feeling is they are the best of all.
    teekay0007 wrote: »
    See PolkieMan's post above (post #5) with the Polk CS info listed. That's where you get the new replacement tweeters for the SL-2000. The ones you want are the RD0194-1. They are a drop-in replacement for the SL-2000. They are regularly priced at $60 apiece +tax +shipping. As a Club Polk member (tell them you are when you call) you can get them for $48 +tax apiece with free shipping. Then, you can sell the SL-2000s to offset some of the cost of the new tweeters.

    The 194 tweeters haven't been available for that long and are usually bought for replacements/upgrades for the SL-2000s, so used ones aren't often available and if they are, they aren't that much cheaper than the new ones.
    POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
    POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
    PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
    POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
    ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited November 2013
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    OK I am about to put the replacement woofer in. Is it necessary to seal the woofer with plumbers putty or rope calk? The one I removed did not have anything like that.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    edited November 2013
    The original mid-driver should have a black foam gasket, which I'm sure is compressed. You can reuse it as long as it's not damaged, but I thought the new mid-drivers came with a new gasket.

    Anyway, do not use plumbers putty or rope chalk. Get some Armacell and cut to fit.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Pianist19
    Pianist19 Posts: 28
    edited November 2013
    "new" woofer is in and all is fine. Hope I might come across those better tweeters cheap but an equalizer seems to tame the harshness for now.