Tubes. For the discussion of old and new. Might want to follow this one...
treitz3
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http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2012/05/return-vacuum-tube
New brought to old or old brought to new? Perhaps both?
You decide.
Tom
New brought to old or old brought to new? Perhaps both?
You decide.
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Just ordered up some KT-150's for my tube amps...
That looks to be some promising technology, but how do they sound?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Yeah, that is cool. Maybe a tubed watch is in our future. Didn't realize tubes were that much quicker than transistors today. Who would have thunk it.HT SYSTEM-
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Just ordered up some KT-150's for my tube amps...
That looks to be some promising technology, but how do they sound?
Who's selling these?!!!
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Interesting for sure.
Some of my gear uses sub-miniature tubes originally designed for military use. Able to withstand a nuclear blast, good to 80,000 feet with a life span of 100,000 hours.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Able to withstand a nuclear blast....
That always seemed like an oxymoron to me. Great, the tubes are fine but we're all gonna die anyway....lolSalk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
nooshinjohn wrote: »That looks to be some promising technology, but how do they sound?
Hmmm, post #5 might be able to guide you in the right path. Interesting F1. Didn't know that before now but duly noted.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Able to withstand a nuclear blast
You just might find out sooner than you think the way things are going.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
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SCompRacer wrote: »Great, the tubes are fine but we're all gonna die anyway....lol
That's the one I like. Military tubes are designed to withstand EMP but not sure about the human controllers. Anyway, tubes are for the ones left survived.
Sure, most transistors stuff will just die from EMP but the military equipments will be fine. The critical ones have failsafe and redundancy build in them so no worries about EMP. :razz:Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
A 6900 (5687 on steroids) used in ICBM warheads. Max altitude 80,000 feet, 500G impact load, 50G vibration acceleration. It's job, to survive until target reached and detonated. In audio applications, near twice the transconductance of a 5687. Incredible detail and dynamics. Used this in my ModWright gear.
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
If you all will be so kind, what is "sub-miniature" when it comes to tubes and identifying said tubes to the naked eye?
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
If you all will be so kind, what is "sub-miniature" when it comes to tubes and identifying said tubes to the naked eye?
Tom
The "micro-dynamics" of these tubes is superb!
OK, back to the topic at hand...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
John, you quoted me...yet...you wanted to stay on topic? Can I please have some of what you are having?
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Tom, here's an example. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONE-PAIR-OF-VINTAGE-SYLVANIA-JHS-6112-ELECTRON-TUBE-NOS-1959-/261225444925?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3cd23ff63d#ht_1541wt_679
John's witty tonight, isn't he!?!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I try mr. President... I try.
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Hmmm....sub miniature, is that different from the miniature military tubes used in Musical Fidelity gear ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Those are sub-miniature tubes.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
SCompRacer wrote: »A 6900 (5687 on steroids) used in ICBM warheads. Max altitude 80,000 feet, 500G impact load, 50G vibration acceleration. It's job, to survive until target reached and detonated. In audio applications, near twice the transconductance of a 5687. Incredible detail and dynamics. Used this in my ModWright gear.
I'm running a Bendix Redbank 6385 designed for the same purpose in a DAC. It sounds amazing and way better than all other 5670 types I've tried including the famed WE 396A. -
edited - 'twasn't a value-added comment :-P
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Just ordered up some KT-150's for my tube amps...
That looks to be some promising technology, but how do they sound?
You sure they'll fit? I'm no expert but I thought the tubes were very close together on Carver's amps. Yours use his chassis, correct? Here's some recent correspondence with the people from Prima Luna:
Question;
"I own a PL5 Amp and am currently using KT120 with no problem. As you know Tung Sol has just or will soon be releasing a new power tube similar to the KT120. The new power tube is the KT150. Has Prima Luna been given a chance to evaluate how this tube will work with its current power amp line up?"
Answer;
"No we have not had a chance to try them. We have seen them, and they are massive tubes... they may not physically fit sitting next to each other in the amp. Once the tubes are released, the engineers at PrimaLuna will likely do very thorough testing on them much the same way they did with the KT120s, but that will still be a ways off.""The ear is not a microphone, the brain is not a tape recorder, and measurements are limited in describing subjective quality." Nelson Pass
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Yeah, that is cool. Maybe a tubed watch is in our future. Didn't realize tubes were that much quicker than transistors today. Who would have thunk it.
agree I was also surprised to see that. -
Are all those soldered in place? seems like a PITA to tube roll. -
Yeah, that is cool. Maybe a tubed watch is in our future. Didn't realize tubes were that much quicker than transistors today. Who would have thunk it.
Woz already has one and you can buy them yourself. Search Nixie Watch :biggrin:. Another thing I want to own just to wear around for the reactions.
http://www.cathodecorner.com/nixiewatch/index.html"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If you all will be so kind, what is "sub-miniature" when it comes to tubes and identifying said tubes to the naked eye?
It seems that we have wandered off topic. Please allow me to ask this again.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
SCompRacer wrote: »A 6900 (5687 on steroids) used in ICBM warheads. Max altitude 80,000 feet, 500G impact load, 50G vibration acceleration. It's job, to survive until target reached and detonated. In audio applications, near twice the transconductance of a 5687. Incredible detail and dynamics. Used this in my ModWright gear.
So do they bounce pretty good or what? -
It seems that we have wandered off topic. Please allow me to ask this again.
Tom
Answered in post #14.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Ah, so the one pictured in this thread would NOT be a miniature tube. Gotcha and thanks.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Ah, so the one pictured in this thread would NOT be a miniature tube.
Right, that's a standard 9 pin tube.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Oops. I thought you guys were talking about submarine tubesJC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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I'm talking about the tube snake boogie. :cheesygrin:Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
