What I found at my parent's house!

GFOviedo
GFOviedo Posts: 353
edited August 2013 in Electronics
A Carver TFM-35 and Adcom GFP-565.:cheesygrin:

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I'm not really sure if I am going to use the Adcom yet. Anyone know where I can find a replacement knob for the level control? It's missing for the Carver!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,450
    edited August 2013
    Call Roland @ hitech audio ltd. com
  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Call Roland @ hitech audio ltd. com

    Thanks. I will do that. I'm thinking of setting up a 2.0 stereo set up in my garage, and these devices can be very handy. I was thinking of trying to implement the Carver with my Pioneer SC-1522-K to drive my front left / right Polk Audio Monitor 70 II's. However, I would have to re-arrange and possibly move my AVR from where it sits now.
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited August 2013
    MIght be interested in the adcom pre if you end up selling it, depending on price. Does it have a remote by chance?
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    No remote available.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    edited August 2013
    Wish i could find those at my mothers. Lol. I have that same pre hooked to my 555 & it seems to work quite well.
    ..
  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    Well, I had a pair of RCA cables sitting some where, and I can't find them. I was going to order a pair from monoprice, but I was wondering if anyone has any good RCA cables laying around that would like to sell?

    I'm looking at a pair of Audioquest copper head on ebay used. Any other suggestions?
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2013
    A house is not a home with no RCA and speaker cable overkill.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited August 2013
    HT SYSTEM-
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    A house is not a home with no RCA and speaker cable overkill.

    I've got 12 gauge speaker wire, I just can't find the RCA cables. I think the wife might be the culprit.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2013
    It's definitely not a home with a cable stealing woman in it.
  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited August 2013
    I thought it was going to be about 4 million more albums.That Adcom pre would pair up very nicely w/ my gfa555.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    I thought it was going to be about 4 million more albums.That Adcom pre would pair up very nicely w/ my gfa555.

    Well, I don't think that my dad not I will be using the pre-amp. After looking on eBay for prices it appears the going rate for this pre-amp is around $250 to $300 range, which I was pretty surprised. So, I might end up putting it for sale, but I a, not really sure how much this is going to cost to ship.
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  • Bob in WI
    Bob in WI Posts: 155
    edited August 2013
    "going rate for this pre-amp is around $250 to $300 range" really? Sure you're looking at the pre & not the amp? Maybe so - I never could understand the prices things fetch (or fail to ) on the bay.
  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    Bob in WI wrote: »
    "going rate for this pre-amp is around $250 to $300 range" really? Sure you're looking at the pre & not the amp? Maybe so - I never could understand the prices things fetch (or fail to ) on the bay.

    Well, I searched for the Adcom GFP-565, and the several that I found were around that price. Now, I'm thinking of setting up a 2.0 set up in my garage so I might end up keeping both units now.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    It's alive!!!

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    I had to re-arrange my whole set up to include the Carver amp. I though it was going to take me about an hour to set everything up, but no. It took me about 3.5 hours since I have to re-arrange all of my ethernet, hdmi, and RCA cables. On top of that I had to re-terminate some of my speaker wires because I didn't like the way they looked lol.

    By the time I was done with everything the kids and the wife were asleep. So, I couldn't really crank the volume up. I did get to watch Oblivion finally! I will play some music tomorrow to see if I hear any difference.
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  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,640
    edited August 2013
    Looks great.now you gotta say its worth all the time it takes to get it the way you want it & its fun. Enjoy your new amp
    ..
  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited August 2013
    The 565 is an excellent pre for the $! and free is even better LOL The phono section on the 565 is darn good. I ran one for a while till I went to tubes.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited August 2013
    The 565 is an excellent pre for the $! and free is even better LOL The phono section on the 565 is darn good. I ran one for a while till I went to tubes.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    Holy, crap! I know my Polk Audio Monitor 70 II aren't the best speakers in the world, but man did they wake up with the Carver. They sound so much cleaner, and I can drive those ****er higher than I can handle now. I went all the way up to +3 dB in my receiver, and they were freaking loud and sounded clear.

    Before, the tweeter would be so freaking bright and annoying with certain music. Now, I can actually hear it clearly. I didn't know this would make such a difference.

    Then again, I might just be dreaming, but it sound so much better. I want more power lol! This amp is over 30 yrs old and running strong! Wow, now that is some quality with original everything!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited August 2013
    GFOviedo wrote: »
    Holy, crap! I know my Polk Audio Monitor 70 II aren't the best speakers in the world, but man did they wake up with the Carver. They sound so much cleaner, and I can drive those ****er higher than I can handle now. I went all the way up to +3 dB in my receiver, and they were freaking loud and sounded clear.

    Before, the tweeter would be so freaking bright and annoying with certain music. Now, I can actually hear it clearly. I didn't know this would make such a difference.

    Then again, I might just be dreaming, but it sound so much better. I want more power lol! This amp is over 30 yrs old and running strong! Wow, now that is some quality with original everything!

    Quality power matters. You just discovered it for yourself :biggrin:. You also learned not all amps sound the same (Pioneer v Carver), and what adding a power amp can do to even entry level speakers. Hence why you see many of us recommend 10 year old used amps. They still works great and the tech for powering a speaker hasnt really changed that much compared to AVR's.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    Quality power matters. You just discovered it for yourself :biggrin:. You also learned not all amps sound the same (Pioneer v Carver), and what adding a power amp can do to even entry level speakers. Hence why you see many of us recommend 10 year old used amps. They still works great and the tech for powering a speaker hasnt really changed that much compared to AVR's.

    I agree. I think I am going to look for a 3 channel amp to drive my front stage, and use the Carver with the Adcom for a 2.0 set up in the garage.

    Can anyone recommend an 3 channel amp that is good and isn't outrageously too expensive?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited August 2013
    GFOviedo wrote: »
    I agree. I think I am going to look for a 3 channel amp to drive my front stage, and use the Carver with the Adcom for a 2.0 set up in the garage.

    Can anyone recommend an 3 channel amp that is good and isn't outrageously too expensive?

    Well TBH I would look at some of the 5 channel Carver stuff simply because his 3 channel amps are QUITE expensive. So for me I have been using a AV-705x 5 channel amp for my entire LSi setup for 2 years, and before that it was being used on my Monitor 60, CS2, Monitor 40 setup and it sounded pretty good there. In the case of Carver stuff there is something called "power steering" which is unique in that it taps unused wattage from one channel if its needed in another. So if your surrounds dont need all 125 watts (using my carver as an example) it can steer additional wattage to the fronts.....

    But I prefer Carver, others will have suggestions. I would think Adcom will be suggested and also Parasound, Rotel, B&K.

    That said your probably looking 300ish bucks or more for any decent 3-5 channel amp. Even your Carver sells used for between 200-500.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
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    Well TBH I would look at some of the 5 channel Carver stuff simply because his 3 channel amps are QUITE expensive. So for me I have been using a AV-705x 5 channel amp for my entire LSi setup for 2 years, and before that it was being used on my Monitor 60, CS2, Monitor 40 setup and it sounded pretty good there. In the case of Carver stuff there is something called "power steering" which is unique in that it taps unused wattage from one channel if its needed in another. So if your surrounds dont need all 125 watts (using my carver as an example) it can steer additional wattage to the fronts.....

    But I prefer Carver, others will have suggestions. I would think Adcom will be suggested and also Parasound, Rotel, B&K.

    That said your probably looking 300ish bucks or more for any decent 3-5 channel amp. Even your Carver sells used for between 200-500.

    Thanks, I will look into those other brands as well. I'll probably go with another Carver anyway, they seem to be the best bang for the $$. Used wise I mean.
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited August 2013
    GFO-

    I may have something that would work for you...

    It's been in storage in my closet for awhile so I forget some of the particulars such as model #, but it is a NAD 6ch home theater amp which will put out 30 WPC to all 6 (I know not a lot), but get this- user can bridge it to a 3 ch to power your front left, right and center at 90 WPC (which is more than adequate for almost any home theater movie watching setup). NAD gear is know to have a lot of headroom and plenty of current for dynamic peaks as well. Pricing would be in the $225 range plus shipping. Let me know if you'd like more info and some pics.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    GFO-

    I may have something that would work for you...

    It's been in storage in my closet for awhile so I forget some of the particulars such as model #, but it is a NAD 6ch home theater amp which will put out 30 WPC to all 6 (I know not a lot), but get this- user can bridge it to a 3 ch to power your front left, right and center at 90 WPC (which is more than adequate for almost any home theater movie watching setup). NAD gear is know to have a lot of headroom and plenty of current for dynamic peaks as well. Pricing would be in the $225 range plus shipping. Let me know if you'd like more info and some pics.

    Thanks for the offer, but I want something that can output at least 200 wpc or more. Thanks though.
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  • TNHNDYMAN
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    I understand. I really feel that you need to explore exactly how many watts you normally use though. If you get a chance to find a nice vintage amp with meters showing output in watts like some of the carver's have, I think you would be surprised to see that you would rarely go over 60watts except with heavy bass passages. Those 70's are pretty efficient speakers and anywhere over 100 watts being used will be VERY loud. Looking at your sig, since you are using dual subs and taking the lower hz out of the equation you will never need 200WPC.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a nice 5 channel Parasound, Rotel, or Krell amp myself but for reasonable usuage it would be overkill. I'd love to have a Ferrari too- but my Mazda 3 does fine most of the time.
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  • GFOviedo
    GFOviedo Posts: 353
    edited August 2013
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    I understand. I really feel that you need to explore exactly how many watts you normally use though. If you get a chance to find a nice vintage amp with meters showing output in watts like some of the carver's have, I think you would be surprised to see that you would rarely go over 60watts except with heavy bass passages. Those 70's are pretty efficient speakers and anywhere over 100 watts being used will be VERY loud. Looking at your sig, since you are using dual subs and taking the lower hz out of the equation you will never need 200WPC.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a nice 5 channel Parasound, Rotel, or Krell amp myself but for reasonable usuage it would be overkill. I'd love to have a Ferrari too- but my Mazda 3 does fine most of the time.


    I agree, buy I prefer having more power and not needing it, than to need it and not having it.
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  • GFOviedo
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    edited August 2013
    I found something troubling today while listening to music. My front right speaker tweeter sounded muzzled. I had issues before with the tweeter, and Polk Audio send me replacement, which fixed the issue.

    So, I switched the tweeters from the front left to the front right, and it sounded fine for a few second and then it sound muzzled again. So, I thought the xover might be the issue. However, I remember that I changed the level on my Carver amp to 100%.

    So, I moved the knob to the 5 o'clock mark, and the muzzleness went away and the tweeter sounded good again. So, I'm wondering if this is a sign that the right channel in the carver is going out? I am using some cheap RCA cables right now, I've got some Audio Quest on the way, but I don't think this might be the culprit? Anyone?
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  • GFOviedo
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    edited August 2013
    Another thing I found out today was that my wife grandfather wrote the lyrics for "Evil Woman." He got $50k for it pretty cool!
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  • Polkie2009
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    I remember that tune" Evil Woman", ELO!