Yamaha's new flagship SACD + Integrated

nguyendot
nguyendot Posts: 3,594
edited August 2013 in Electronics
Yamaha to Unleash Flagship A-S3000 Amp and CD-S3000 CD Player

Anyone else see this? I like the new retro look that's been going around Yamaha.

The pricing however, is quite hard to swallow.

http://usa.yamaha.com/news_events/audio_visual/yamaha_unleashes_flagship_s3000series/
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,450
    edited August 2013
    very nice and yes I agree CRAZY expensive....that 7000.00 player has a LOT of competition in that range it better be up to it.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited August 2013
    Good lord $8k...

    I know people spend more than that on a single speaker but man, that's a lot of coin.

    Edit: It only puts out 130x2 @ 8 ohm?

    http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/amps/a-s3000_u/?mode=model
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited August 2013
    I don't see these flying off the shelf's anytime soon.
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
    edited August 2013
    chumlie wrote: »
    I don't see these flying off the shelf's anytime soon.
    Agreed. For $8k you would expect SEVERAL hundred watts of power on tap.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    If I was ever going to drop 8K it'd be on something by BAT, Krell, Bryston, Mcintosh, Pass labs etc, even though i'm sure it's nice that's crazy expensive for Yamaha and it has major competition in that price point.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2013
    They aren't going after the Emo market. Whether they sell or not is another question. It is good to see companies address the high-end of the market where sound matters, and it costs to get that sound quality. Of course, the question is; How do they sound, especially compared to other vendor's product?

    What I would like to see is the major manufacturers get back into the high-end game, use their purchasing power, and bring high-end gear to market at a lower price point than the niche players. Of course this would put the hurt on the niche players, but that is the market at work.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,567
    edited August 2013
    It's good to see a company like Yamaha come out with statement pieces, especially a high end SACD player when you see many carrying on about downloads, etc.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,450
    edited August 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's good to see a company like Yamaha come out with statement pieces, especially a high end SACD player when you see many carrying on about downloads, etc.

    Agree even if they are a bit much. I wonder how many of the 500wpc digital mono bloc's they sold 6-8yrs ago? I never seen any used show up where I look....They were like 5000.00ea if I remember correctly.
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    edited August 2013
    It looks nice, but $8k is a bit lofty. Where do you think it should be fairly priced?
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited August 2013
    They look very nice but for those prices they better sound fantastic!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2013
    How do you guys know it isn't underpriced?
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited August 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    It's good to see a company like Yamaha come out with statement pieces, especially a high end SACD player when you see many carrying on about downloads, etc.

    Exactly so. These are statement pieces, not really any different in principle nor purpose than, e.g., Yamaha's CR-3020 receiver in the late 1970s... or, say, 270 wpc Pioneer's SX-1980, back in the same era when Pioneer's bread and butter receivers were selling for $199.95 at Stereo Discounters.


    CR-3020.jpg

    http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-CR-3020.html

    EDIT: PS, this new Yamaha integrated amp does look to be better built than their late-1978's top-end integrated amplifier (CA-2010), FWIW.

    Yamaha pair2.jpg
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited August 2013
    chumlie wrote: »
    I don't see these flying off the shelf's anytime soon.

    I'm waiting for the 50% off friends and family sale.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2013
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Exactly so. These are statement pieces, not really any different in principle nor purpose than, e.g., Yamaha's CR-3020 receiver in the late 1970s... or, say, 270 wpc Pioneer's SX-1980, back in the same era when Pioneer's bread and butter receivers were selling for $199.95 at Stereo Discounters.


    The only statement I hear is "We're still only in it for the money."
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited August 2013
    George Grand wrote: »


    The only statement I hear is "We're still only in it for the money."

    Something wrong with being in business to make money George?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited August 2013
    George... you ol' socialist, you...
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited August 2013
    Its nice but each about 4k-5k too much for me anyway. Only ftc rated 100w@8ohm. CD Player uses the same Dac as the Oppo bdp-95. I feel these units are more about prestige than value.
    Its sure pretty though.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited August 2013
    Power output and price sure don't have to be correlated; trust me on this.
    ... and that's OK: There's more to hifi than "RMS watts"
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,491
    edited August 2013
    I'm surprised they're planning on bringing their statement high end integrated amp and SACD player to the US market. Both Denon and Marantz have mostly dropped out of that higher end market in North America in the last couple years, but still sell their more expensive separate component gear in Europe and Asia.

    Like Yamaha's 2000 series which has been available here for a few years, the new 3000 series integrated and SACD player are designed to work best together with their propriety balanced connection system. The build quality and attention to detail on the new models are way beyond anything I've seen Yamaha produce before. They also appear to have paid a lot of attention to introducing a USB DAC into the SACD player. My guess is they primarily designed this system for sale in Asian markets.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,730
    edited August 2013
    Was curious, so I did the "Find Local Dealer", and found 2 B & M stores listed.
    Both are "American TV & Appliance" stores and both have been closed for over a year. Which doesn't make any difference, really, because there wouldn't have been any way on God's green earth that "American" would have had either of these pieces out on display. "American" did have a somewhat decent sound room with some liveable gear actually out on the floor; definitely better than either "SiloX" or "Circuit City", homes of the "pushed-in dust caps". Which, okay, really isn't saying much.

    It would be nice to see the major 'brands" start to put out signature pieces that push the technology limits and raise the bar higher, much higher. If that's what they're capable of doing, though. If their signature pieces are merely, "Look at our CDP ! It has gold-plated sheet metal screws !", then give it up and concentrate on making portable mp3 players with interchangeable skins.
    Yamaha could afford to go into the R & D, Engineering, etc departments with a $20 million check and say, "Okay, listen up you geeks and dweebs ! Come up with some gear that'll cost us $3000 to manufacture per unit but will blow the sliderules right out of your pocket-protected shirts !".
    I wouldn't be able to afford whatever they come up with, to be sure. But some of us can be happy just having a good ol' slobber and drool. :smile: And it might get us re-thinking our opinion of Yamaha.
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited August 2013
    This makes me wonder just how well the Onkyo sold as they did the same thing.But at a much lower price point.

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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited August 2013
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    George... you ol' socialist, you...

    Money?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O_MwIwVGAaA



    cnh
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited August 2013
    I'll take the Onkyo...something about VUs.
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    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited August 2013
    Holy cow that Onkyo weighs 52 pounds!
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited August 2013
    George Grand wrote: »
    The only statement I hear is "We're still only in it for the money."

    Tell me who isn't George. You come across that audio company who's in it for charity, let me know, I'm there.

    Unless you assume a "statement piece" should be one of no holds barred all out assault on building something just to see how good it can be done with no concern of actually selling a ton of them or making money. Like the Polk SRT's. If that's the case, like the SRT's they all meet the same demise.
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited August 2013
    My MX-1000u is about that weight.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2013
    I must say, as fantastic as my Yammie AVENTAGE AVR sounds in it's two channel performance you can take it to the bank that their new separates line will be outstanding. Now as far as the price goes we'll have to wait & see how the market respondes. Their new preamp/processor is a great looking piece also. It looks like Yamaha is really stepping up their game.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited August 2013
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Holy cow that Onkyo weighs 52 pounds!

    My Pass Labs amps weigh 150 lbs each. It was a pain getting each one from the garage to the living room when they arrived.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited August 2013
    BlueFox wrote: »
    My Pass Labs amps weigh 150 lbs each. It was a pain getting each one from the garage to the living room when they arrived.

    And people wonder what is "manly" about "audio"!

    That's also why U-haul offers you the rental of these, lol:



    cnh
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,806
    edited August 2013
    cnh wrote: »
    And people wonder what is "manly" about "audio"!
    ...
    cnh

    Well, there's EveAnna "Vanimal" Manley...

    http://www.manley.com/eveanna.php
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