Do you trust your ears?

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2013
    I'm not sure you went around the same bend as everyone else.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited August 2013
    George Grand wrote: »
    I'm not sure you went around the same bend as everyone else.

    I'll take that as a compliment.

    If you listen to the FM show Radio Lab they explain the idea.

    Talking moves air that moves and vibrates key parts in the ear.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited August 2013
    George Grand wrote: »
    Which brings you back to the first time you ever heard a halfway decent recording of your own voice on a halfway decent rig. "Wow! That's what I sound like (out there)?"
    You're damned right. I was lucky. Had the auditorium by myself with a sound board that had more buttons than the Space Shuttle itself and no matter what I tried, there was NO way I could get my voice to sound like what it did to me.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • gumbay13
    gumbay13 Posts: 360
    edited September 2013
    Until i find out different, i will continue to trust my ears
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2013
    bikezappa wrote: »
    Talking moves air that moves and vibrates key parts in the ear.

    This just in?
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited September 2013
    George Grand wrote: »
    This just in?

    That's called very light touching, you got it.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited September 2013
    To answer some comments, I don't think you have to really be familiar with the voice, to know if it's being reproduced accurately. Here's some examples; when voices sound as though they are coming exclusively from the tweeter, rather than being spread in a linear fashion, thru the midrange. These can come off as nasal, processed, "electronic" sounding, grainy---rather than smooth & natural. Chestiness; too much bass extension in the voice giving it an unnatural body that wouldn't exist in reality. Sibilance; is it a natural roll-off, that doesn't appear at all harsh or over-done? I think this one is critical to crossover quality/design, and extremely important. BALANCE....this one is tough to describe, but I'll try; having the voice touch all the right frequencies in its range, at the right level. Make sense? Harbeth opened my eyes and EARS to just how accurate a speaker can reproduce the human voice; not an advertisement, just an honest observation. The Fritz Carbon 7's were darn close, but a little too subdued in treble. I'd draw an anology of the Carbon 7 as sounding like someone speaking in a anechoic chamber, versus a typical livingroom. They lacked a little natural ambiance/air.
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  • Msabot1
    Msabot1 Posts: 2,098
    edited September 2013
    I was taught at a very early age that from source to speaker,the reproduction of a piano is a very good measurement of the quality of the equipment being tested by ear..this has served me well over the years.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited September 2013
    steveinaz wrote: »
    To answer some comments, I don't think you have to really be familiar with the voice, to know if it's being reproduced accurately. Here's some examples; when voices sound as though they are coming exclusively from the tweeter, rather than being spread in a linear fashion, thru the midrange. These can come off as nasal, processed, "electronic" sounding, grainy---rather than smooth & natural. Chestiness; too much bass extension in the voice giving it an unnatural body that wouldn't exist in reality. Sibilance; is it a natural roll-off, that doesn't appear at all harsh or over-done? I think this one is critical to crossover quality/design, and extremely important. BALANCE....this one is tough to describe, but I'll try; having the voice touch all the right frequencies in its range, at the right level. Make sense? Harbeth opened my eyes and EARS to just how accurate a speaker can reproduce the human voice; not an advertisement, just an honest observation. The Fritz Carbon 7's were darn close, but a little too subdued in treble. I'd draw an anology of the Carbon 7 as sounding like someone speaking in a anechoic chamber, versus a typical livingroom. They lacked a little natural ambiance/air.

    Gong.

    If you've never seen a particular painting, how could you judge if copies were accurate?
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited September 2013
    Yes, they are the only source I have.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited September 2013
    thsmith wrote: »
    Yes, they are the only source I have.

    Well now, that's a good way to put it. :cool:

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2013
    thsmith wrote: »
    Yes, they are the only source I have.

    I validate my ears with the vibrations from the fillings in my teeth. If they match then I know what I hear is accurate. :rolleyes:
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited September 2013
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I validate my ears with the vibrations from the fillings in my teeth. :

    Put a paperclip in your mouth, maybe you could pick up satellite radio for free. :cheesygrin:
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