I think I'm losing my mind...over amps!

pearsall001
pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
edited July 2013 in Electronics
I think I need to check myself in & get checked out. Here's my dilemma, tell me if you think I'm nuts. For starters ever since I picked up the D-Sonic mono-blocks I've been gaga over their performance to the point now that I'm contemplating picking up one of D-Sonic's 3 channel amps (500w/8ohmx3) for the center & surrounds to round out the front end. Now my master plan would then be (down the road a bit) to sell off the Rotel & pick up a nice used 7 channel amp for the other channels. Make sense or am I off my rocker just a bit??? Damn I love this hobby!!! :biggrin:
"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited July 2013
    The hole is very deep and you, my friend, have fallen in!
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited July 2013
    What zane77 said! LOL
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited July 2013
    Nah...those surrounds will never use 500 watts of power, kind of a waste. Since your not using any of the receivers amps, why not instead move up to a HT processor ? Maybe a Cary cinema 12, or one from Bryston, Anthem, etc. May kick up the SQ a few notches in the music department too.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Nah...those surrounds will never use 500 watts of power, kind of a waste. Since your not using any of the receivers amps, why not instead move up to a HT processor ? Maybe a Cary cinema 12, or one from Bryston, Anthem, etc. May kick up the SQ a few notches in the music department too.

    Thats what I was thinking tony , get rid of the receiver if you want to go that crazy on amps
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited July 2013
    Sounds like a lot of power for surrounds? I guess you will have to set goals and decide what gains you are after. Who can really say what changes will offer the best performance.

    I guess if I were in your shoes and got the Class-D amp craze I would have to put some things in perspective. At $1575 the 3 channel offers a ton of power but is the extra power really needed for surrounds? Maybe use the 3 ch for the LCR and sell the mono's?

    OR

    Maybe a refurb Elite SC-67 or SC-68 will offer what you are looking for in terms of Class D power for the other nine channels. Could sell off the Yamaha and the Rotel. Combined with the D-Sonic mono blocks, you would have a full Class-D system. 1260 watts Center/Surround/Presence + 1000 watts L&R + 2000 watts LFE
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Shop/Specials/Home+specials

    OR

    Or maybe go all out Class-D crazy with a Pre-Amp? Sell off the mono blocks, the Yamaha, the Rotel, then pick up the Marantz AV8801 (w/ 11.2 capability and MultEQ XT32), and have custom D-Sonic amp/set made 250 Watts x 11 or 400W x 3 + 250 Watts x 8?

    Who knows? Sounds like you are going over the deep end....
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2013
    Go for it Phil, your surrounds will enjoy the boost in power just like your front speakers do. I doubt any of my speakers use the 405wpcs that my Sunfire puts out. However, whatever they do use allows them to operate to their full potential, and THAT is the most important factor. So amp away my friend!
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2013
    A lot of great feedback...thanks guys/gals. As far as falling into the rabbit hole, until you hit China there's still plenty of hole left. :lol:

    Tony: I hear ya but I am using 4 channels of the Yammie AVR amp. My thought here is to have all 11 channels of amplification so I can at some point go with a HT processor. In fact Yamaha just came out with separates so things are looking up. And I'm sure more & more companies will also be offering separates. But I do need an 11 channel processor, after running a 5/7 channel system & then going to an 11 channel system there simply isn't any going back. My room dimensions (32'x13') are a perfect fit with plenty of side wall for speakers. I realize that a lot of rooms just aren't capable of that many speakers & a 5/7 channel system is the perfect fit. But hell I have the room so why not use it to it's fullest. As of now Cary, Bryston & most others only offer up to a 7 channel processor which just won't do.

    Cathy: I always liked your way of thinking girl. I'm cut from the same cloth...you can never have enough power!!!

    WLDock: good suggestions but that's just too much buying & selling for me.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited July 2013
    Be sure to post the rotel in the classifieds here if you decide to get rid of it...
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2013
    badchad wrote: »
    Be sure to post the rotel in the classifieds here if you decide to get rid of it...

    Will do...fellow Polkies always get 1st dibs.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited July 2013
    That Rotel is a monster... I hate moving mine anywhere without a hand truck.
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,409
    edited July 2013
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    A lot of great feedback...thanks guys/gals. As far as falling into the rabbit hole, until you hit China there's still plenty of hole left. :lol:

    ...you can never have enough power!!!

    My sentiments exactly!!! 2 much is NEVER enough!!!!! Is 860w too much for an A9, I say NO, bring it on!!

    China..........as Gus McCray used to say, you'll know when you get to China, all the men wear pig tails :mrgreen:

    Go for it pearsall, amp the crap out of those speakers............it's alive......IT's ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Thorton
    Thorton Posts: 1,324
    edited July 2013
    Go for it. Buy the amps then the Marantz AV8801 11.2 pre/pro. That’s on my short list so I can read your review before purchasing it. Just kidding. I was in a similar situation. I have a 2 channel Parasound then went with the W4S big boy 5 channel amp. Now I’ve set myself up to buy a dedicated pre/pro and use the W4S for 5.1 + main 2 channel and the Parasound can power my outdoor speakers currently running off my AVR. I can also add on to the W4S if I want to go 7.1. Do the center and surrounds need that much power? Probably not. But boy my system has never sounded better. If you buy the amps, I believe it opens up more options when you update the processor. Bring the Power!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited July 2013
    32' x 13'? Is that a TUNNEL? Very long and narrow, but certainly lots of room for 11.2.

    I'd say do what you will. It's your call. To POWER up or not to POWER up? That is the Question!

    cnh
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited July 2013
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    WLDock: good suggestions but that's just too much buying & selling for me.
    Well,... I think you've already done a good job with your buying...a full 11.2 worth. Your system seems complete and already powerfull. I think that is the issue. You might have to go a little crazy, or man up(and listen to Terry:cheesygrin:) and go for broke to find what you are after. A new 3 ch D-Sonic, and maybe a new CX-A5000 pre, and a beastly 7 ch like a Sunfire TGA-7401, Sherbourn PA 7-350, or Outlaw 7900 is going to cost...but its sounds like you are already headed in this go BIG or leave it alone direction?
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2013
    WLDock wrote: »
    Well,... I think you've already done a good job with your buying...a full 11.2 worth. Your system seems complete and already powerfull. I think that is the issue. You might have to go a little crazy, or man up(and listen to Terry:cheesygrin:) and go for broke to find what you are after. A new 3 ch D-Sonic, and maybe a new CX-A5000 pre, and a beastly 7 ch like a Sunfire TGA-7401, Sherbourn PA 7-350, or Outlaw 7900 is going to cost...but its sounds like you are already headed in this go BIG or leave it alone direction?

    Now there's some manly amps...now you got my juices flowing!
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited July 2013
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Now there's some manly amps...now you got my juices flowing!
    Yeah, If you have not done so...get ready to install a 20 Amp jack. Man Up! LOL.

    Anyway, I would love to take a listen to your system...also, I'm fond of Kef and really want to listen to the Q900's. On paper they make a lot of sense for HT.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited July 2013
    Consider HrQ "processing*." What(?!) Well can't say for sure though I saw good ideas.

    I agree w/"no such thing as too much (HQ) power" Take it from me, you won't regret it. I find you'll experience "effortless."

    I said all that to this: follow*w/ a third mono for your CC. Use the Rotel for side/surrounds/rears.

    Enjoy! Tony
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