spl vs Audyssey MultEQ® XT32

CinderLyon
CinderLyon Posts: 108
Is there any issue with correcting sound level with an spl after setting up with Audyssey MultEQ® XT32? I check and Audyssey MultEQ® XT32 can be off a bit.
Fronts: Polk RTiA9
Center: Polk CSiA4
Sides: Polk F/XiA6
Rears: Polk RtiA3
Sub:Polk DSWPRO 660wi

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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited July 2013
    The issue here would be that by using terms such as "correcting" and "off a bit", you're for some reason assuming that a manual measurement with an SPL meter is the more accurate one. This is quite unlikely. The meter in your XT32 processing is at least as accurate as the typical SPL meters sold for home use. The data it collects are then processed electronically and should have a very low margin of error. In contrast, using an SPL meter for a manual calibration adds the element of human error in reading the meter. The Audyssey calibration is likely to be the more accurate one.
  • CinderLyon
    CinderLyon Posts: 108
    edited July 2013
    Well i went and tested it against a known source (test cd 3 from audiophile).

    Basically my current conclusion supports using Audyssey and leaving it alone. I do have a pretty decent spl. but I don't think I can do much better than what this version of audyssey is doing with out some more expensive gear. I could see tweaking to personal preference such as increasing the surrounds bit.
    Fronts: Polk RTiA9
    Center: Polk CSiA4
    Sides: Polk F/XiA6
    Rears: Polk RtiA3
    Sub:Polk DSWPRO 660wi

    extras: 2x JBL Monitor 4206

    AVR: Marantz Cinema 50
    Amp: Hypex UcD400 Class D, 2 Channels
    Power Conditioner: Belkin PureAV Home Theater Power Console pf60
    Many different streamers, Heos, firestick, apple
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    edited July 2013
    Actually, human error is involved in both ways. Never take an auto calibration as gospel and always tweek settings to your tastes. There's no rocket science here.
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited July 2013
    Also realize that using Audyssey isn't as simple as you might think. You need to follow obvious steps to ensure that the data you're giving it is good, so you don't get a garbage-in/garbage-out situation. If you're not using a tripod or boom mic stand for the mic, you're doing it wrong. If you're not using all available positions, you're doing it wrong. There are plenty of places where you can read the proper steps to use Audyssey for best results.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,981
    edited July 2013
    Exactly.....the calibration software can be thrown off by human error too. Where the mic is set up, if any noise is going on in the home while it's running the calibration, etc. I don't know how many times we have seen threads of people running the auto calibration and then complaining about their system sounding like garbage.

    Always check/tweek settings, auto calibration is probably best described as a very good starting point, but not the end point.
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited July 2013
    The topic here was the possible use of an SPL meter, and has nothing to do with the complex Audyssey room correction process. The calibration for levels and distance delays is the relatively simple preliminary step taken at one position. Again, the added factor of possible human error in reading the meter, which doesn't exist in the Audyssey calibration, makes it highly unlikely that a manual reading of an SPL meter would be more accurate.
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited July 2013
    When I calibrated my new pre/pro it produced a steady tone. It wasn't very difficult to read a number on the SPL, and then make sure each channel provided the same number. If the tone sweeps through a variety of levels then manually reading an SPL meter would be error prone.
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  • CinderLyon
    CinderLyon Posts: 108
    edited July 2013
    For what it is worth i calibrated with Audyssey yesterday, and a dog started a few houses away. I then re-calibrated this morning when things were quite. Pretty big difference in the surround calibration. The dog started barking at position 7 and 8 and messed up my surround calibration. I spot checked this morning with my spl on slow, c and Hi and used a known reference CD pink noise playback. The DB was within 0.2 db for all channels.

    I trust Audyseey if done in a quite environment.
    Fronts: Polk RTiA9
    Center: Polk CSiA4
    Sides: Polk F/XiA6
    Rears: Polk RtiA3
    Sub:Polk DSWPRO 660wi

    extras: 2x JBL Monitor 4206

    AVR: Marantz Cinema 50
    Amp: Hypex UcD400 Class D, 2 Channels
    Power Conditioner: Belkin PureAV Home Theater Power Console pf60
    Many different streamers, Heos, firestick, apple
  • spock 2054
    spock 2054 Posts: 163
    edited July 2013
    Audyssey adjusts for time correction and delay - so if you measure with an SPL meter, all speakers might be off by a db or two.

    How does Audyssey MultEQ measure and correct problems with room acoustics?

    https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/73287-How-does-MultEQ-apply-room-correction-
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  • Nach
    Nach Posts: 9
    edited July 2013
    lol, I havent ever plugged in my Audissey mic. I'm pretty intimidated by my receivers remote, really.